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Can't Shift out Park & No Horn??? - 5/13/2008 12:46:01 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Hey everyone. I have an '01 Accord sedan auto 4 cyl and I just got home, put it in park to open the garage door and dropped it into drive and it wouldn't budge.  I pressed the brake ALL the way down and still won't budge.  It's as if I'm not even pressing the brakes.  This is very sudden and has never hapened before.  Any ideas what it is and how this could happen? I gotta get this fixed ASAP. Thanks. < Message edited by donpisto -- 5/13/2008 5:32:08 PM > Post #: 1

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/13/2008 1:18:32 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Did some searching online and it said something about a brake fuse under the hood. I replaced that since it was indeed blown and it worked.  I put it back in park and then drive again but it wouldn't go to drive.  Checked the fuse and it was blown again.  I also read about a switch by the actual brake pedal, but I saw a plug that is connected to it. I disconnected that and plugged it in and put a new fuse and it won't work at all again just like before.  Suggestions? (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 2

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/13/2008 4:19:48 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Well, another update. Replaced the brake light switch under the dash by the brake pedal and put a new fuse in.  It worked, but only once. Fuse blew again and replacing the fuse doesnt do jack anymore.  The horn doesnt work either. I'm guessing its on the same wiring system or something, because when I did replace the fuse and the brake light switch, the horn worked. (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 3

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/13/2008 6:51:04 PM    falkore24 Posts: 5932 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline The horn is probably bad causing a short that keeps blowing the fuse.  Try unplugging the horns under the hood and electrical tape the connectors so they cannot ground and load another fuse in.  If that doesn't work, the short is somewhere else.  If it does work, you need to test the resistance of the horns to see which is shorted out. Temporarily, you can bypass the shift-lock with the white button under the keyhole thingy by the shifter.  While this is not working, I'm not sure that you have brakelights, so be careful. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 4

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/13/2008 10:36:38 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline You're right, I don't have brake lights :( Now I'm facing even more issues. Thought I'd disconnect a wire connected to where the shifter is and now the car barely goes in drive. It won't pass 3k rpm it seems and the D4 light keeps flashing. I haven't tested the horn thing you mentioned as I just saw it. Might do it tomorrow but my main concern is getting this thing to drive normally.      (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 5

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 5:30:18 AM    KevinAccord Posts: 1012 Joined: 4/30/2007 Status: offline check fuse box under hood, your cruise control will not work as well.... happened to me once... I think it was a fuse (20 or 30) _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX i4 Turbo AT 18" Konig Unknown Rims MSD 6AL Gold Line Suspension Apexi Neo Few other Mods... Mini Cooper 2006 MT HID's 17" Rims Premium Package Sport Suspension Short Shifter Panoramic Sunroof Stock Engine (For (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 6

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 6:04:05 AM    JimBlake   Posts: 3272 Joined: 5/31/2006 Status: offline Reconnect that wire - maybe it's not part of the shift interlock circuit? Put in a new fuse & blow the horn a bunch of times.  If that does NOT blow the fuse, that rules it out as the cause.  I'm saying this because it sounds like pressing on the brake pedal is what blows the fuse. Press on the brake pedal repeatedly without trying to shift.  Then check the fuse. See what I'm doing is exercising parts of that circuit SEPARATELY.  You want to keep checking the fuse to narrow down the SPECIFIC action that causes it to blow. Reading thru your posts it sounds like you do several different things together before the fuse blows.  You want to know which ONE thing causes it to blow. _____________________________ '03 Accord & '07 Civic '01 Saab 9³ & '05 9²x (in reply to KevinAccord) Post #: 7

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 6:16:16 AM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Yeah I did that. Didn't post tho. I honked the horn and no issue there, fuse is fine. Every time I press the brake its still in park. its the instant the brake is pressed when the fuse under the hood blows.  I've gone through almost 10 fuses already, worst day of the year for me. (in reply to JimBlake) Post #: 8

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 6:49:43 AM    falkore24 Posts: 5932 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline Whoa .... it sounds like the wire that you disconnected has tripped limp-home mode.  In limp-home mode, VTEC will not engage at all and the car will have no power.  Put that one back! The flashing D4 indicates tranny problems and codes and will happen when the car is in limp-home mode.  If putting the wire back doesn't fix the D4 issue, you need to get the codes read. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to KevinAccord) Post #: 9

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 7:34:21 AM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Yeah, I think I have to go to the stealership to find those codes. Unless my mechanic can check but it's only him and one other guy. Hard for him to check mine when he has numereous cars each day. I did plug the wire back in but yeah, that didn't solve it.  (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 10

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 8:14:12 AM    falkore24 Posts: 5932 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline Any shop can read the codes.  It takes 5 minutes to hook up the reader to the ODB2 port. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 11

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 10:36:36 AM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline Gonna go to autozone and they do it for free, hopefully that will tell me what's going on. I'm wondering if my rebuilt tranny is giving out on me after 15k miles but i have a feeling its more of something needing to be reset. I disconnected the battery for about an hour but that didn't reset the ECU (as i've read places where it will). I took out one of the 7.5A fuses by the driver size fuse box for 10 seconds and that doesn't do anything either. (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 12

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 12:53:56 PM    JimBlake   Posts: 3272 Joined: 5/31/2006 Status: offline Possibly you disconnected the wiring for the gearshift selector, NOT the interlock solenoid.  I don't remember what all wiring is down there in that general area. I don't have the detailed Helm book any more so can't say exactly where stuff is.  Disconnect the harnesses to the taillamp clusters & try again.  If it doesn't blow, you know the short is in one of the sections that you disconnected. Got a multimeter?  You can measure resistance to ground for each section so you don't have to blow another 12 fuses to find it. _____________________________ '03 Accord & '07 Civic '01 Saab 9³ & '05 9²x (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 13

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 3:52:12 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline You're right, it was not the interlock solonoid, I guess I got confused with another based on a picture I was looking at or something I was reading.  I believe I did disconnect the wiring for the gearshift selector. I ended up going to Autozone, getting some codes, and I'll post those shortly. Gotta do some other things first, but I dropped the car off at the shop and hopefully my mechanic can get to it today or tomorrow.  I was going to take out all the tail light bulbs and see if the fuse popped as well but forgot about doing that.  Hopefully this doesn't set me back too much and I can get my car back quicikly. (in reply to JimBlake) Post #: 14

RE: Accord (Auto) won't get out of Park - 5/14/2008 4:38:22 PM    donpisto   Posts: 113 Joined: 4/17/2008 Status: offline I got the following codes by checking with Autozones OBD II. P1298 - Manuf. Control Fuel Metering P1166 - Manuf. Control Fuel Metering P1167 - Manuf. Control Fuel Metering P0141 - O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 2) P0700 - Transmission Control System Malfunction P1768 - Manuf. Control Transmission I then replaced the 20A fuse under the hood that kept blowing and before testing it out I ran the OBD II again and the only codes that showed up were the P1166, P0700, and P1768. I have detailed descriptions for all except the P1167 and P0141.  They are as follows: P1298: - Defintion: Electrical Load Detector Circut High Input -Probable Causes: 1. Open or short circuit condition 2. Failed ECM P1166: - Defintion: Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System Electrical -Probable Causes:  1. Open or short circuit condition  2. Poor electrical connection 3. Failed HO2S sensor P0700: - Defintion: Automatic Transmission Fault -Probable Causes:  1. Indicates trans fault - Check other codes P1768: - Defintion: Lock up clutch does not engage - Stuck in 4th gear -Probable Causes:  1. Open or short circuit condition in pressure control solenoid A circuit  2. Poor electrical connection 3. Failed pressure control solenoid A (in reply to donpisto) Post #: 15

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