Coil-Overs vs. Shocks&Springs

i was just confirming that if you get coilovers then you do not need to get aftermarket shocks, too. but if you get springs alone, then you need aftermarket shocks. right or wrong?

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ORIGINAL: accords own

i was just confirming that if you get coilovers then you do not need to get aftermarket shocks, too. but if you get springs alone, then you need aftermarket shocks. right or wrong?

man just wait till im online and ask me this stuff. the full name brand coilovers do not separate shocks. its part of the package.

ok, thats what i thought. just confirming man cuz i was totally wrong about the exhaust in that other topic. but yeah, next time i will wait until your online, lol.

Yep. But my coilovers are not true coilovers since they didnt come with shocks to begin with. But I have to admit, I'm happey with my setup, but not happy with the huge chunk it left in my pocket.

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ORIGINAL: stevent

Yep. But my coilovers are not true coilovers since they didnt come with shocks to begin with. But I have to admit, I'm happey with my setup, but not happy with the huge chunk it left in my pocket.

well coilovers are height adjustable, your koni yellows are not, therefore not a coilover at all.

The ground control kit IS a set of height adjustable Eibach coilover springs ..... Ground Control only makes the perch.  The Koni's are the shocks & struts.  Koni makes models for the stock ride height as well as for lowering and coilovers.  Stevent's setup is very similar to my Tein SS kit which, by your definition is a coilover.  To be technical, the Koni is a shock, not a coilover by itself.

I almost bought that setup.

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ORIGINAL: falkore24

The ground control kit IS a set of height adjustable Eibach coilover springs ..... Ground Control only makes the perch.  The Koni's are the shocks & struts.  Koni makes models for the stock ride height as well as for lowering and coilovers.  Stevent's setup is very similar to my Tein SS kit which, by your definition is a coilover.  To be technical, the Koni is a shock, not a coilover by itself.

I almost bought that setup.

technically, our cars use shocks, but the names are used interchangeably. right koni does make coilovers, aka the spring and damper sold as one assembly and are height adjustable. hes got Koni yellows in his sig and was reffering to them, which are just the shock. *edit* i just looked at his sig further and it says GC coilovers AND koni yellows? this is contradictory impling he has an adjustable height shock with spring assembly...and another shock.

Do they make a full package?  I didn't think that they got involved with the springs at all.

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ORIGINAL: falkore24

Do they make a full package?  I didn't think that they got involved with the springs at all.

yeah i just googled it  http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/category_results.mhtml?category=konicoiloverkits&car=hondacivic&manufacturer=koni&sub_category=1

not for our cars tho.

That looks like a sweet setup!  Too bad they don't make it for our cars or I might have it!!!

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ORIGINAL: falkore24

That looks like a sweet setup!  Too bad they don't make it for our cars or I might have it!!!

did you see my edited post? i wouldnt get em, i love my Tein SS's.

I thought that the term coilover simply refers to the adjustable height geometry of the spring ..... aka a threaded tube with a movable perch.

Why do you not like the Knoi setup ..... the spring looks really well designed for a progressive rebound rate and Koni shocks are some of the best made.

I agree that the Tein SS set kicks @$$!  The last time I pushed it, I could hit 0.95 g's and hold 0.9 measured with a G-Timer.  I'm hoping that I can break 1.0 with my new skins!  225/60-15's

coilovers are height adjustable, but more specifically they refer to the shock & spring assembly as a whole package.

I didn't know that the terms includes the "package" definition.

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ORIGINAL: Velocifero

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well coilovers are height adjustable, your koni yellows are not, therefore not a coilover at all.

I know, that's why i said g/c is not really coilovers, rather it is just slevees.
I'm pretty sure my koni yellows are adjustable since I can adjust it to firm or soft.

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ORIGINAL: Velocifero

technically, our cars use shocks, but the names are used interchangeably. right koni does make coilovers, aka the spring and damper sold as one assembly and are height adjustable. hes got Koni yellows in his sig and was reffering to them, which are just the shock. *edit* i just looked at his sig further and it says GC coilovers AND koni yellows? this is contradictory impling he has an adjustable height shock with spring assembly...and another shock.

Yea, I know I should really change it when I added the Koni yellows but I got lazy. I'll probably change it later.

i know koni yellows are damper adjustable, so are my Teins, but the koni yellows are not height adjustable.

i never said they were height adjustable 

you thought i meant damper adjustable but i was reffering to the height aspect.

^ yep miscommunication. Ive been doing that alot lately 

Don't the yellows have an adjustable perch for corner weight balancing?  It's a stretch, but that makes them a little adjustable .... like an inch.

LMAO @ Ground Control Sleeves!!!

 yes, that is what I call them. Laugh at what you will.

Not that I'm any expert, but I've seen this terminology used;
 
Full coilovers, and Coilover sleeves.
 
Before finding AMR Engineering, I had settled on Bilstein shocks, and H & R springs.  But I wanted the height adjustment for winter.  So rather than going w/ coilover sleeves, I thought it made sense to get the full coilover unit that has a shock and spring rate designed for my intended use.  The AMR's are awesome.
 
By the time I spent the cash on Bilsteins and H & R's it was about the same total anyway.

Bilstein with H&R springs is exactly the setup that I want but not the cash that I want to spend.  I agree with the terminology thing too... a "true"  coilover setup is a threaded shock not just a sleeve

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ORIGINAL: sir_nasty

Bilstein with H&R springs is exactly the setup that I want but not the cash that I want to spend.  I agree with the terminology thing too... a "true"  coilover setup is a threaded shock not just a sleeve

commonly called a "sleeve over" they offer no real dampening attribute. true coilovers do and full coilovers include a matching linear spring.