Shifting with an automatic.... - Page 2

Except if you go from 1 to 2 in an auto its not going to instantly change... its not like you're shifting it, you're just giving the automatic computer the option to change gear.  So as soon as the auto feels the time is right it'll change... its not like a tip-tronic, you're not controlling the car, you're just giving it more options or less options.  You'd probably even slow it down shifting it yourself because it'll hold gear while the computer is processing... probably bad for your engine to hold high revs that long as well.

sssexy no... shifting down is just as easy on the tranny as shifting up from 1... theres no difference... it barely even talks to the computer it just actuates a manual valve that directs flow of oil to the 2-1 band (extra holding band for low gears) and locks the 3rd clutch into gear (3rd gear is for  engine braking)        

side note, im pretty sure that tiptronic is a computer controlled thing as well

It is, but it requires your input... it'll change depending on what you do

but it doesnt make it any less of an automatic because its still using a torque converter, if you have that happy little torque converter it changes the rules purely based on the fact you have to rely on the computer to do the shifting for you,   tiptronic is just one of those things that provide the illusion of having a manual.   

tiptronic, autostick, paddle shift, slapstick, 

I didn't say anything opposing that, all i was saying is that with an automatic, it'll shift fastest if you just pop it into drive rather than trying to control it no matter what system you have.  But the tip-tronic whatever is quicker than going from 1 to 2 to d3 to d4 because they are different types of systems

depending on the system it should be the same between all those.   When i get bored and do 1 through d4 each click it shifts at the rpm point that im at.   The only time it doesnt is if i have the foot to the floor and shift 4.5k rpms from second to third then the computer realizes its at WOT then shifts back to second.   Either way, auto's have improve greatly over the years

Sorry, should have been more specific in the fact that i'm talking about full throttle acceleration... 03 Sleeper was talking about timing his automatic to a manual... i was just saying that shifting yourself in a race will slow you down in an automatic

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ORIGINAL: marbro

im not sure... but i dont think shifting into park would ruin the transmission       putting it into park for the transmission is the same as putting it into N  its just park also has the whole wheel lock thing.  

a couple of things i can throw in here,,
# 1 .. it is ok to upshift or down shift an auto tranny manually , it is no big deal ..the only thing is, especially when downshifting to make sure you do it at the correct speed ,, if you are going at 70 you surely would not want to downshift to second or first gear .. REDLINE possible engine damage .. but especially if you are going in a steep downhill or uphill , you can downshit the tranny and leave it on the gear so tranny does not go back and forth up and downshifting ,, and on a steep downhill, you would not have to use the brakes so much if you shift it into lower gears

# 2 ,,DO NOT for any reason sfift the auto tranny to PARK while driving.even at 10 mph . there is a parking pin which engages in the parking gear ( so car does not roll when in park ) that can, and i have seen shatter when tranny is put into park while driving .. and yes you do have to remove the tranny and basically overhaul it,, you cannot leave any metal inside a Honda auto tranny , it will seize up the valves in the valve body faster than you can say BOO .fluid will carry and metal filing all over the inside of that tranny ...Putting in neutral will not do any damage except depending on the speed you are going rpm would shoot way up ( redline ) unless you take your foot off the accell .
But again as for shifting under normal driving condition ,, it is perfectly safe

ah, so the parking pin is inside the trany, I thought it was something outside that locked

Thank you for clearing that all up Desert!  We can always rely on you to settle an argument!

I learned a lot from this thread. w00t!

the worst thing you can do its to shift it with auto i mean you can do it a couple of times like i do but it aint good thats why auto trans car are for old people(not designed for teenagers)

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ORIGINAL: 03Sleeper

then whats the hype about manuals? I have a 5 speed automatic...which is the same amount of gears as most manuals.

1.  Manuals cost significantly less than automatics (often over $1,000 less).
2.  Manuals are more fun to drive once you know what you're doing.
3.  Manuals usually get better fuel economy, particularly in the city.
4.  Manuals permit faster acceleration because you have more control over when the transmission shifts.
5.  Manuals are simpler and thus more reliable, and also less expensive to repair when they do fail.
6.  Manuals weigh significantly less than automatics.
7.  Manuals give you more control over torque and traction (e.g. starting in second gear during slippery weather).
8.  Most car thieves can't drive manual transmissions, so it is less likely that your car will be stolen.

Technology that thinks for you is great - as long as it does exactly what you want it to do when you want to do it.  I've yet to find an automatic transmission that performs precisely as I want it to perform, so I buy manual-equipped cars instead.  I pocket the savings, get more enjoyment and get better performance.

Jim

hey, this post was very helpful... thanxs guys...

Way to resurrect a dead thread. 

Contrary to popular belief, I find that my launch is significantly better when shifted.  First gear on my car can fly, but when it's not in 1 it will shift out too soon.  Also, engine braking adds control when done right.  The biggest thing that you have to learn is where the car wants to shift in various conditions and how long it will take to initiate the shift.  If you floor it in 1 and wait until you want the car to shift to click it into 2 then you are going to bounce the rev limiter.  It needs about a third of a second.

dual clutch is where its at.
no torque converter.
you can use auto in the city.
manual when your having fun.
no user-operated clutch tho... not as fun.
granted... I hate howstuffworks as much as the next guy... but they did a decent job on this one: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm

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ORIGINAL: falkore24

Contrary to popular belief, I find that my launch is significantly better when shifted. 

Opinion is always contrary to popular belief when it doesnt follow it.   Which makes the comment rather pointless.   Now, if you said Contrary to popular belief these dyno's show it helps,    then that would be something,   now wouldnt it.  

Hey marbro, did you notice how my comment relates to the thread and yours doesn't?  

actually it had to do with this thread moreso then you most recent comment, after all i was pointing out that you comment  before was rather pointless because you were stating your opinion as fact as well as comparing an i4 auto (which is what this thread was originally based on)  to a v6 auto which oddly enough are two different beasts

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ORIGINAL: nafango2

dual clutch is where its at.
no torque converter.
you can use auto in the city.
manual when your having fun.
no user-operated clutch tho... not as fun.
granted... I hate howstuffworks as much as the next guy... but they did a decent job on this one: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm

i agree with the dual clutch thing. its an automatic with an actual clutch with two gears (one for odd gears and one for even gears). i know a friend with a jetta gli with tiptronic. he drives automatic most of the time but uses his tiptronic to have fun and his shifts are true shifts but are super smooth even more so than normal automatics. so basically its true manual shifting with no slutch and absolutely no kerking.

Marbro, the name of the thread is "Shifting with an automatic...."  There is nothing about the engine in that topic.  In addition, I know how to form a sentence and post to share my views on the topic.

Your recent posts serve no purpose other than to clog a good thread with annoying, childish comments.

I'm done talking to you.  Don't expect a reply to your next rant.

gotcha, he was asking because he didnt care about the car he drove and he just felt the need to say what year engine type first thing.....   thank you for your insight on what the original poster was trying to get the information for