Turbo Help!!! - Page 3

Something else I just thought about... I was a petroleum supply specialist in the army for 6 years so pumps entertian me... perhaps it has to be primed? you could attempt to suck some fuel up manually then once some flows through try to start it... or force some down/in from a turkey baster perhaps?

mbo if the plug plugged right into the pump....then its hooked up right...fill that tank up and get to rippin...with all high flow pumps your days of mobbin around with the e light on are over.

yeah lightshow, I think I have to fill it up to get the thing "primed". Maybe using the turkey baster like sir nasty mentioned too, if things won't work. I'm going to put in like 10 gallons tommorow, and see what happens. Wish I could do it tonight, but the car is at my parent's house (my work shop), and I gotta work all evening.

lol my parents house is my official shop too..

Yeah... they love all my fun little projects just taking up their garage. Oh well, they would only put stupid junk in there so I might as well use it to some extent. i hope to have a house in at least a year. Gotta finish school and get a better job. blah blah blah. I just hope low gas is the problem!

I'm off to go fill up the tank today (after work). I really hope it cranks up! I've been reading a lot that people with the walbro can't go much lower than 1/4 of a tank before the car runs out of gas. I could live with that little quirk. Next on my list is bigger injectors.

I won a p06 on ebay last night for like 50 bucks. I want to get it chipped to use with my s200 hondata system that's sitting on my shelf. Anyone know what it takes to chip an ecu? Or where to get the parts? If it's all about solder, then I'm there.

yea chipping ecus are all about the solder.....you take out the old chip...then i would recommend soldering in a 'plug' so you can exchange chips on the fly.

Awesome. After I get the ecu chipped, i'll just need to find the harness from obd 2 to 1 and I'll get my car tuned. My friend actually gave me a harness, but it doesn't fit my car's wire harness. I also need to get the wires to connect the s200 to the ecu. Always a project...

So I topped off the tank and still nothing. I was pretty pissed at that point since I knew I had to drop the tank again and now it was full. So I drop the tank and get the pump out. I take the hose connections off the pump and I see that there is a metal piece that was stuck inside the hose. I don't know how the hell it got there, but that was the problem. Reassemble everything and go for a test drive and things are wayyyyy better. The car isn't starving for gas one bit. I have a boost controller on order (the manual check valve style kind that lightshow showed me) and I'm looking for another f22b2 to build up for some serious boost.

One problem I notice is that the wastegate spring is set for like 12 or 15 lbs of boost. It was supposed to be a 6lb spring (don't believe everything you see on eBay). I'm hoping I can take care of this with the boost controller. Needless to say, I didn't do any hard runs after I learned this.

After coming back from the test run, my nieghbor and his friend came over to check out what they just heard. The funny part is they're both mustang guys, and they had the hood up and the digital camera out taking pictures. haha it was great to see my honda get attention like that.

Congrats on getting it up and working well. Good to hear you finally have gotten about everything taken care of. I've been following this thread like crazy. Enjoy it man; living my dream

helllll yeaaa......thats what im talking about...sounds like your getting it dialed in real well...congrats...ok with the wastegate though....is it an internal or external wastegate? if its an external wastegate.....then you will need to change the spring.

if you do have a external there are different wastegate sizes in millimeters..... this spring is for a tial 38mm, and would be perfect for your application.

spring

the boost controller can only increase boost...it absolutely cannot reduce the amount of boost your turbo is producing.but...

if you have an internal wastegate......just bend the wastegate IN towards the turbo approximately 1/4 inch, and this will reduce the boost to about 6-7 psi and then you can bring it up to the level that you want with the boost controller.

It's an external waste gate. HKS 38mm kind. I'm assuming that I need to take off the allen screws around the top of the things and the spring will be under there, right? But it's crazy how much better it runs. I don't know why I thought the stock fuel pump could deliver the fuel a boosted motor would need.

So I guess i'll find a good spring and use the boost controller to boost from there.

yea sometimes things just dont become apparent until they are pointed out.... and yes the spring is sitting just under the cover on your wastegate its pretty easy to change out. im glad your cars running real good now. just like tom said your living the dream right now, i cant think of too many things more exciting than a freshly turbo'ed honda especially when you installed the kit yourself. let us know when you get the spring and boost controller in and i can give you some tips on how to tweak your ignition. theres prolly 30 or 40 horsepower hiding in there. and how about some pics and video if you can...im sure there are a bunch of people that have been watching this post diligently

No problem guys, I'll put up some pics I have of the project. I can shoot some video of it in action if anyone knows a good place to host something that size. Anyways, I have a spring and boost controller on order. I can't wait to hear the tips for increasing the hp lightshow. I'm all ears man!

I can relate to everyone out there following this post saying that I'm living the dream. I've been dying to do this to my car since I got it back in October of 2003. At first I was just going to buy a kit, but I didn't want to spend 3000 plus on one, so I just did my homework and pieced it together a kit a little bit at a time. Anyone out there who wants to do something like this, just get educated and believe in yourself a bit. It was a lot of work but a lot of fun doing the install. Lots of problem solving. If you're gonna do it, just be ready for the ups and the downs. I think overall I spent like $1500 on my kit (not counting hondata, which isn't being used yet).

I'll get some pictures up shortly..

Here's the stuff set out before the install.



And here's all the parts laid out on the operating table...



The welder seen here helped the project tremendously.



Here's the car on the drive-ups awaiting the install



This is after the install of course.



Another angle of the new and improved engine bay.



Here's a close up of the MSD Boost Timing Master and my new windshield washer fluid container (had to rip out the old one to make room for the charge piping).



Installation complete. Gotta love the front mount intercooler.

I maintain a website for my company.... If you're interested in posting some video you can e-mail it to me and I will post the link in the forum... just let me know... also, if it's over 50 Mb's I may need to give you another e-mail but for now try arealluckyguy@yahoo.com

I know this may be a pain but.... would you be interested in posting what you used/where you got it? (maybe I should scroll back in the message it's probably already there... *doh*)

No problem. Here's a list. Sorry if i don't have specific part numbers (ebay doesn't go back that far). If i forget anything, feel free to call it out. All stuff off ebay unless otherwise noted.

T3/T4 Garrett Wheel Hybrid .63 (new in box off ebay for 256 bucks)

F22B Log style manifold from f22parts.com (was warped when I bought it. May want to look somewhere else before dropping the 300-400 bucks on it).

HKS 38mm external wastegate

Raptor style BOV

Prelude intake pipe kit with BOV flange welded in. (I haven't seen this on ebay recently, but it bolted right up. Just had to get rid of washer fluid tank). Came with all hardware!

Vortech 12:1 FMU

Walbro 255 Intank fuel pump

Godspeed front mount intercooler

MSD Boost Timing Master (jegs.com)

Steel oil line and fittings

Oil drain kit

K&N Air Filter (Advance Auto)

Vacuum line, bolts, clamps, etc (Advance Auto)

Autometer boost guage and air/fuel ratio gauge

Downpipe was used from someone with one for a 97 accord ex. I had to cut off the flange and re-weld it at a different angle. Also had to add o2 bungs. I recommend either getting one from a kit (like drag), or finding a used one like i did and modding it for your use. Otherwise, take it to an exhaust shop. You can even piece together a mock downpipe in PVC and take it to the shop to actually fabricate.

I would also recommend some injectors. I think that's my next purchase...
I'll try to shoot some video thursday if everyone is still interested. Thanks for the hosting offer sir nasty.

still interested???? you bet i am

Awesome, I'll get some video up shortly. i'm still waiting on the 8psi spring, but I notice that it seems like at WOT, the car is still seeming like it's dying out, even at lower boost levels. Could it be that the turbo is blowing the spark out? My ignition is still completely stock (unfortunetly). I couldn't check my A/F gauge to see if it's running out of fuel like before, because the sun was shining right on it this morning, but if I back off the gas just a little, the car comes right back to life.

that could be your engine freaking out from the boost, seeing as 15 psi its a bit more then you should run on stock internals...... but i really dont know....

Yeah, I have a feeling it's something to do with the engine. I just put in the 8 psi spring this morning and things seem better. I think some of the boost may be blowing by the rings. What can I expect out of a motor with 140,000 miles on it?! That aside, I still feel a huge increase in power, and I can't wait to see how the car runs with some harder throttle action (didn't get to open it up this morning since it was one big traffic jam).

I shot some video yesterday of some moderate driving. It's through a residential/rural area, so don't expect any racing. Plus, it's before I installed the spring, so things weren't 100%. My main computer is down (the one that can edit video) so I'll try to have it up for next week when I can get it fixed.


*update*

Boost is so much better now, especially at WOT. After some serious boost though, I smell a weird smell that's like burnt tire mixed with burnt oil. It's not a very strong smell, but I notice it. I suspect that my rings are going or my head gasket is cooking. I plan on buying another F22 down the road, so I don't care if I have to rebuild an engine or too. I love building engines anyway...

I love the power though... hahaha it's great!

Anyways, things seem to be going well. My friend's dad heard about the smell I was noticing and said it might be the wire insulation/vacuum hoses/etc. being effected by the heat. I'm going to heat wrap the whole setup or maybe try to vent the hood a little bit somehow. The car sounds downright evil when you mash it though.

I know you mentioned RC engineering injectors, lightshow. What size do you think I should get? Should they drop and plug right in, or do I need to wire up some resistors or something? I think I'll change them out before the fuel pressure kills my stock ones.

And I'm ready for those ignition tips too!

ive got some homework to do tonight but i will get back to you on that.

ok so yea that smell may be your cooking some hoses, which you dont want to do. if you wrap the whole system it is going to make a big difference. first i was thinking you should get 330cc rc engineering but now im thinking you should go with the 450's they will work great now and they will support more boost later on down the line. the injectors are great but they cost quite a bit and they will pop right in with no mods at all. if you have the money then get them, but if you are a little strapped, then you can get a set of 450 dsm injectors from an eclipse, but you absolutely MUST and i mean must get a special little resistor box to use with them or you will fry your ecu quick.

about that smell though. ill need to think about that a little more. how do you have the oil feed and return lines on the turbo hooked up?

so you will need this.

resistor box

and then these

injectors

ive only got one eye open right now so im not sure if these are the EXACT ones that you actually want to buy...if you do decide to go this route. you should do a little research