twin turbo help

im kinda new to the turbo tech and specs but i do no most of the basics. i wuz wonderin if you gonna go the twin turbo route on your car if two differnt sized turbos is gonna be effective. a smaller one so there is less spool up and less lag, then a larger one to produce the heavy boost to really get goin. I thought i herd something like that somewhere so i thought id ask. thanks

with what motor? when you have two turbos feeding into the same TB they would need to be the same size, but if youre running a system as on the 2JZ, where one turbo feeds the next turbo, which in turn feeds the TB, typically, yes, the first turbo is smaller, thus reducing spool time

I really don't know what motor it is. I gotta stock 96 accord lx 2door. i know it's a 2.0 4 banger but thats about it. where could i find out what motor it is??

Twin turbo on 4cyl...unnecessarily expensive and counterproductive. Twin turbo wouldn't be as safe and effective as a single turbo setup on your engine.

6thgen is correct, a single turbo setup should be just fine for just about all street use.

Okay, thanks. Im lookin to get about 300 horses out of the engine. I know it will take alot more than just a turbo but that will help the numbers signifacantly. I am planning on redoin the entire engine, cams, gears, pullies, crank, valve springs, ect... Do you guys recomend any turbo kits in particular? I was kinda eyein the turbonetics turbo kit but am still resarchin so any suggestions will be takin with appreciation.
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/pm/turbonetics~turbo_kit~bperformance.html?apwcid=V1092232004W411a2344ecd29&apwkwd=Turbonetics+Turbo+Kit

To maintain 300whp on a 150hp car you'll be safer going with the Drag Gen IV kit. It's easier to upgrade the fuel system and management. Which will save you money in the end, but you'll need a OBD1 conversion and Hondata (need good experienced technician for this) or AEM EMS (standalone) and bigger injectors. along with a few other goodies involving fuel and internals. Or you coudl go custom, it'd cost the same if not less! Don't forget a clutch that can hold the power and torque.

either way, its gonna be expensive and difficult...

If you build the motor you can get that kind of power with around 20psi. Seen it done at a dyno day 3 weeks ago. He had a Built ex 97 running 16psi and got 289 whp and 315 wtq. The key is in the details. Good engine management and fuel supply can take the set up a long way.

Go to your car and write down the VIN number off of the drivers door or in the drivers side front window.....count over 8 digits from the left to the right and come back in and post that 8th digit number for us and the we can tell you what your engine is...

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I really don't know what motor it is. I gotta stock 96 accord lx 2door. i know it's a 2.0 4 banger but thats about it. where could i find out what motor it is??

96 Accord Lx should have an F22 non VTEC engine.

The 8th digit over is a 3. I do now have an Ingen Technology RD cold air intake and flomaster exhasust and i love the way they sound together but anyway... With a turbo, am i gonna have to get turbo head gaskets or any special stuff that may not come in the kit to prevent problems in the future?

a turbo itself needs far more than just the turbo to make it useful...

Right. Things like intercooler, upgraded fuel components, upgraded ignition components, stronger internals to take the wear and tear of all the extra pressure, ect... I was just wonderin if i needed to get any special gaskets, seals, or things of that nature that may not come in a kit.

Stock Honda gaskets are fairly efficient for low boost. There are performance gaskets out there if you want one or if you want to lower the compression a little.

if youre going to build big, i would go with a well known aftermarket brand name like felpro...etc.

If you're gonna push that must boost you are basically going to have to build a completely new motor (unless you only need it to last
one full throttle run).
Your rings aren't gonna hold under that much boost so they'll have to be replaced. If you replace rings you need to have the cylinders
machined. New rings in a glazed cylinder won't break in and it'll burn oil like no other, not to mention poor compression.
You'll need dished pistons to reduce compression, plus new heads with bigger combusion chambers to reduce it further. If you run 15psi
boost that basically doubles compression, so you'll need to be down at 5:1 static to run pump gas.
You'll probably want a closer ratio of exhaust valve to intake valve size with that much boost too, and more exhaust duration.
If you don't intercool a 15-20psi charge it is a waste of time, so you'll need that too.
The crank and rods will have to go.
Plus all the little stuff like injectors and intake and whatnot.

Basically you're gonna have to build a completely new engine from a bare block to do this.
I'd consider this expert level work.

Okay, I really wanna turbo it. it's an auto but i sill wanna do it cuz i heard that forced autos can be quicker than boosted sticks. i don't have much money now and wont at least till summer. should i buy a kit or should i buy a turbo i want and custom pipe it. i also heard that people are taken turbo set ups from eclipses in salvage yards. Is that worth doing, what kinda power could you expect from doin that and how easy of an install is it?

turbos are not easy...if you have been following the turbo help post its pretty easy to see how many little things can make a big difference.. and mbo is obviously a great mechanic. i also think your eyes are getting a little bit bigger than your stomach right now.. you should keep it realistic. you not going to have 5-8 thousand dollars and another car to drive around for 3-4 months anytime soon right? have you ever been in a 200 hp turbocharged honda? its seriously a mean bitch your adrenaline just skyrockets as soon as the turbo spools. there is a list of everything you need to turbo your honda in the turbo help post. and it should cost you anywhere from 600-1400 dollars, and if you get all that stuff you can even take it to a shop and they should be able to install it in about 10 hours....and they will charge you 70 or 80 dollars an hour. so i mean a couple g's or less and you have a real live turbo. the turbo off a 2g eclipse is good for about 275 hp, and your motor can easily hold 200-225 with your tranny. i would seriously recommend parts off eclipse's because they are cost efficient. i seriously want to see more people like mbo who are actually doing the real thing and not just dreaming...yea everyone wants to have a 400 hp car, but when cost and time IS a factor it can completely stop you from doing a hellava good project like this if your head is in the clouds. you should be looking for the first piece to the puzzle right NOW. with your next couple of paychecks get a turbo for 200 bucks or 100 bucks. once you buy it....you have a turbo, the momentum is started......your going in a great direction at that point..then.....get an fmu....80 bucks....manifold.... intercooler...external wastegate if you going to use one... syanpse....emanage....shit even those 5 check valves if you want to go ghetto.. pile up the parts...and then you can decide whetheror not your able to do the install, or your going to have someone else do it. there are obviously alot of people on here that know a LOT about turbo and i would also be happy to help

Lightshow has got it right. Keep your goals realistic. Why not piece together a kit that will give you flexibility down the road to really turn up the boost, while in the meantime, will still give your car some mean boost.

And trust me, 8 psi in your f22b2 (same motor as I have. I freshly turbo'ed mine) is going to slam you back in your seat and bring a childish smile to your face. When i hit the boost i feel like i'm in my friend's mustang GT.

There's nothing wrong with shooting for 300 hp (that's my goal too), but why not start off small first. And while you run 8 psi, you can be building a turbo f22b2 motor so you can really turn up the boost. The f22b2 (your car's motor) can be had for cheap compared to the H series.

I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but your auto tranny will need a look at too before you put 300 ponies to it.

Thank you for posting helpful info for me. i know that i must start small and can't get 300 horses off just a turbo, i'm above that level of knowledge. I also know that the tranny, and various other parts of the engine and drive train will need to be addressed in order to cope with the added power. I was simply wanting to know what a good set up is to help me on my way to my goal. i'm not sayin just the turbo will put me up there, and it's not easy to do. when i asked how easy of an instal was involved i meant as far as custom fab work went

if your a good mechanic then i would do the exact setup that mbo just did and i would have a exhaust shop fab the intake and exhaust plumbing. thats cause i am a crappy welder (im always dipping the tip of the tig into the puddle :( )

I'm pretty sure i could handle doing everything untill it comes to the welding, never done it on anything that has some sort of function to it. What kind of shops will do that for me. out here in Overland park Kansas there arnt any car shops outside of basic repair places that i have found.

a muffler shop will

like midas??