General Tech Help Good at troubleshooting? Have a non specific issue? Discuss general tech topics here.
View Poll Results: A poll
Replace 9006 with 9011 (substantially brighter, no cap)
20.00%
Replace 9006 with 9005 (brighter, no cap)
0
0%
Replace 9006 with 9012 (brighter, capped like 9006)
60.00%
Replace 9006 with 9006 Sylvania Silverstar (50% claimed increase)
20.00%
Replace 9006 with 9006 Philips Xtreme Power (80%)
0
0%
Replace 9006 with 9006 Philips Crystal Vision (50%)
0
0%
Replace 9006 with 9006 Philips Vision Plus (30%)
0
0%
Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 09-16-2008, 03:45 PM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Summary:
Can/should I replace my 9006 low beam bulbs with 9011 hi-beam HIR bulbs safely?

Details:
I just got my second accord (from a 1989 to a 1997) and I'm not impressed with the low beams at night, simply too dim for even normal conditions.

9006 replaced with a 9005 for brighter lo-beams:
You can cut/file the attachment fitting of a 9005 bulb (no cap, 1700 lumen, used as hi-beams' bulbs) to fit the lo-beams slot where there is current a 9006 (capped, 1000 lumen). This process is outlined here (search that thread for "More Light").

9005/9006 replaced with 9011/9012:
I have also read about HIR bulbs being used as replacements (use "select all" on that site to see the black text on black background):
9005 > 9011 (hi-beam)
9006 -> 9012 (low-beam)
They suggest replacing your 9005 and 9006 bulbs with 9011 and 9012 bulbs, respectively, by making a small alteration to the bulb fitting base. (see here also)

9006 replaced with a 9011:

Combining the above modifications, it would be just as easy to cut the 9011 bulb fitting to match a 9006's fittings, thus it is possible to put the 9011 (MUCH brighter, no cap) in the 9006 lo-beam position. You would have the benefits of no cap (minimal) and the higher lumen rating (9005 are supposed to be 70% brighter than 9006, 9011 are supposed to be 75% brighter than 9005). The 9011 is rated at 2350 lumen, a 135% increase from the 1000 lumen 9006.

Clearly claims of "% brighter" must be taken with a fist full of salt, but even granting them half that increase would be substantial.

My question:
Is this a bad idea for some reason I am unaware of?

[ul][*]Is the brighter bulb going to melt the headlight? The wiring harness?[*]Is the bulb going to have a very short life? (used on new Maximas so I assume it has acceptable bulb life in that application) Some refer to them as simply "over amped" indicating shortened bulb life.[*]Something else (fire, melting, police attention, etc)? (Seems that if your lights are properly aimed the 9005 in 9006 mod does not attract attention, so this ought to be the same but I'm guessing)[/ul]Also, if anyone knows where to get the 9011 bulbs for less than $29 on ebay, please let me know.

Thanks ahead of time for your feedback
 

Last edited by jbrams; 05-10-2010 at 03:34 PM. Reason: Formatting issues, update
  #2  
Old 09-16-2008, 10:59 PM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

From http://crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.ph...b5c57a7e0471e7
Bottom line: Replacing stock CRX 9005 (high beam) and 9006 (low beam) bulbs with HIR1 (high beam) and HIR2 (low beam) bulbs really does give you a major improvement in your ability to see at night (I find this especially true on unlit rural highways), while maintaining the stock CRX headlight aiming/cutoff! i.e. the HIR bulbs don't change were you are putting the light (so if your lights are aimed well, the normal CRX light cutoff should keep your low beams from blinding oncoming drivers with light glare), but the area that is lit will be much brighter than with the "stock" bulbs.

NOTE: The high beams on a CRX will clearly put glare in oncoming driver's eyes, and this is even more true if/when you upgrade them to extra-bright HIR bulbs. However, since you really should only be using your "brights" when you don't have other traffic around (and otherwise "dim your lights"), I really don't see where brights "glaring" a bit more than stock is much of an issue (as other drivers shouldn't be around to care, or you shouldn't have your high beams on anyway). And I must admit that on the few times (with no other cars on the road) when I've turned on my brights (which since the CRX seems to come stock with "quad" high beams, means that both the HIR2 lows and the HIR1 highs are on when I ask for my "brights"), I find that virtually the entire road seems to be lit up. Of course, since even "just" the low beams do a very good job of lighting up the road, I expect I'll use my "high beams" even less than I used to before the HIR bulb upgrade (but it's still nice to have them around for those "just in case" situations where you may need extra light to avoid some road hazard).

NOTE: There are apparently a handful of places you can buy genuine Toshiba HIR bulbs from (along with a number of sellers pushing cheap knock-offs of HIR bulbs, so be sure to verify your bulb source carefully). However, FWIW the seller I ended up going with was "CandlePower Inc." (which sold me the bulbs for $23.95/bulb + around $10 shipping for the order)::
http://store.candlepower.com/hirlighting.html

And while (unlike some other vendors) they didn't pre-mark the bulbs (as to where you need to trim the tab) it was none-the-less pretty easy to hold up the HIR bulb to the existing bulb to see where you needed to trim. The main (two) cautions I would give about the process are:

1) Like all halogen bulbs (and HIR bulbs are just super-efficient halogen bulbs), do NOT let your fingers touch the bulb itself if you can at all help it (i.e. work from the base of the bulb). If you absolutely can't help touching the bulb, use a clean cloth to do so (vs just your hands), and carefully wipe off (with a clean cloth) any prints you do accidentally get on the "bulb" itself. The reason this is so critical, is that oils from your hands can actually effect the heat layout of the clear quartz globe of the bulb, thereby causing it to weaken and fail quicker than normal. So just keep your fingers away from the "bulb" itself, and handle it by the plastic bulb base.

and 2) Be extra careful to make sure you are holding both the original bulb (which you are using as a template) and the HIR bulb (which you are trimming the top tab of to make it fit) in exactly the same orientation. i.e. it is all too easy to have the original bulb (which you are using as a "template") pointing one way and the HIR bulb (which you are trimming the top "tab" of) facing the opposite direction. And if you do this without catching yourself, than you could easily trim the opposite side of the tab from what you need to trim (thankfully I caught myself about this issue, before doing the actual tab trimming)!

NOTE: Virtually any tool (dremel tool, "hot knife", or even toe nail clippers) that lets you cut plastic (without making a mess) will let you do the trimming needed.

In my case, I did the low beam (HIR2/9012) bulbs first, and actually used a toenail trimmer (because that is what I had available at the time). I will say that it worked, but it was a little tedious, as you had to be careful to "whittle away at it" by "clipping" small chunks around the edges. Because if/when I tried to make a "too big bite" the toe nail clipper would get "stuck", and I would have to back off (or risk a real mess if/when things didn't split neatly). So if you want to use a toe nail clipper (not the smaller fingernail clipper, a full sized toe nail clipper), be a little patient, and try not to bite off more than small (around 1mm or less) bites at a time.

Of course, by the time I got around to putting my high beams (HIR1/9011) bulbs in, I had already purchased an off brand "dremel tool" clone. And, as others have observed, a small grinding disk on any sort of dremel tool seems to work very well to remove (gring down) parts of a HIR bulb tab, to make the bulb fit the stock CRX light socket. In fact, I found that my "dremel tool" actually did a much smoother/neater job (on my high beam bulbs) than my 1st attempt with a toe nail clipper did on my low beam bulbs. But even so, the toe nail clipper was still "neat enough" to do the job so that it was functional (i.e. so that the HIR bulbs fit nicely in the stock CRX bulb positions).

NOTE: Apparently, if you are willing to do even more bulb modifications (i.e. not only modify the top tab, but also modify lower "channel"), you can actually put the HIR1/9011 bulb in the LOW beam socket of the CRX, giving you even brighter "low beams" than I got with my HIR2/9012 bulbs for the low beams (I did go with HIR1/9011 bulbs for the high beams though). However, it seemed to me that the HIR2 bulbs were already extremely bright compared to stock bulbs (my new HIR2 low beams seem to give me an OK view of the road for close to a full city block), so I didn't see any point to making them brighter still (by using the HIR1 in my low beams). And the HIR1 bulb (since it's designed to be a "high beam" bulb) does use a little more power than both the HIR2 bulb and the stock 9006 "low beam" bulb do (which does effect fuel economy a small amount, due to extra alternator drag on the engine). And finally, the HIR1 bulb (again because it is designed more as a "high beam" bulb) only has an expected bulb lifetime about 1/3 as long as the HIR2's (almost stock) expected bulb lighttime. Which is why I decided to go with the HIR2 for the low beams, but did go with the brighter (but higher wattage and shorter lasting) HIR1 for the high beams. As a result, both my low and high beams are still stock wattage, but they clearly are no longer stock light levels...
 
  #3  
Old 09-17-2008, 08:48 AM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

I'll definitely post pictures as:
1. Before both replaced
2. One side with stock 9006 and one side with the replacement (9011, 9012, or high quality 9005).
3. After both replaced

Any other thoughts from folks on why this might be a good or bad idea?

My biggest concern so far is the run life - the 9011 may be 235 hours and the 9012 may be 1000 hours to 50% fail rate according to this (2004) thread at Candlepowerforums

Also, here's a GREAT visual of what to cut for make these HIR bulbs fit. Here's a taste:
 
  #4  
Old 09-17-2008, 09:15 AM
falkore24's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wayne, NJ
Posts: 6,213
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Dude, great info ..... I think I might do this!!!
 
  #5  
Old 09-18-2008, 10:31 PM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Just ordered a pair of 9012 HIR bulbs.

My reasoning:
(1) longest life (longer than over amped 9005's or 9011's, similar run time to traditional 9006 bulbs)
(2) Correct wattage (related to above, but also easier on the alternator in the long term)
(3) Less risk of bothering other drivers with too much light leaking into their view, something no one likes.

Reasons against:
(1) Expensive - a pair of Philips Vision Plus bulbs from Aid-auto.com would have been $22 shipped, two 9012's were $55 shipped from Candlepower
Further, the 9011 bulbs would have been the same price and significantly brighter, but at a substantial loss of run time (apparently about 33% of the run time relative to the 9012 according to the technical spec sheets and Dan Stern Lighting, a great resource).
(2) Only slightly brighter than the VisionPlus 9005:
VisionPlus 9005 - 1700 lumens
Toshiba 9012 - 1875 lumens

So is the longer run time and slightly higher lumen rating worth an extra $33? It's a tough call, but I think the safety, longevity, limited risk of damage to my wiring harness from over amp'age, and (less so) extra brightness are enough to justify the extra $33. I hope they last a long time though!

Should be here in a few days, pictures in less than a week of all goes well.
 
  #6  
Old 09-19-2008, 08:18 AM
falkore24's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wayne, NJ
Posts: 6,213
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

I ordered a 4-pack too. I got the highs and lows. I don't get to use my highbeams much because no matter where you are or what time it is, there is always oncoming traffic in northern NJ, so the lifetime should be ok for me. If I were in VA still, I'd probably get 55W HID beams, but I am excited to try these out. Please take some before and after pictures. I plan to do the same ..... maybe at a meet, I'll be able to get a pic next to a tC with OEM bulbs as well.
 
  #7  
Old 09-19-2008, 08:29 AM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Excellent, glad to hear it was helpful info and definitely want to see some pics. Did you also order from Candlepower or did you use Finetuning?
 
  #8  
Old 09-19-2008, 08:48 AM
falkore24's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wayne, NJ
Posts: 6,213
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Finemotoring ...... probably the same thing.

EDIT: Does candlepower paint the tab where it needs to be trimmed? FM does .... I didn't see a note for this on the CP site.
 
  #9  
Old 09-19-2008, 11:54 AM
jbrams's Avatar
Newest Of Newbies
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location:
Posts: 16
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

I understand that Candlepower does NOT paint where to cut, but I'm going to go off this picture:
 
  #10  
Old 09-23-2008, 12:46 PM
falkore24's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wayne, NJ
Posts: 6,213
Default RE: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?

Name:  IMAGE_017.jpg
Views: 2966
Size:  7.4 KB
 


Quick Reply: Should I replace my lo-beam 9006 bulbs with HIR 9011 bulbs?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:48 PM.