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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 12:37:24 PM
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Tony1M
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I also agree on the 357 comment too Tony. I shot my buddy's dad's colt python (6" barrel) and it kicked almost as hard as my .45, but ut was heavy. If you got one of those super light .357's that they make now, it would kick like a mule. And for relaibility, you will never beat a revolver. I want to get a Taurus .44 Magnum too. If anything can stand up to a .44 magnum, you are going to die anyway. I don't see the necessity in anything stronger than that aside from shock value.
I think carrying a concealed firearm is one of the most serious responsibilities a person can undertake, so I'm going to do a bit of promotion for the revolver design as THE BEST for that purpose, and the Ruger SP101 as being the best design for high-power concealed carry.
First, pictures. The one I carried was either SA or DA.
The hammer can be a bit of a pain for carry, so others may prefer the DA only version with the "bobbed" hammer.
Here's a nice aritcle about the SP101:
http://www.snubnose.info/docs/sp101_2.htm
(But I have to disagree with the author about the "comfort" of firing .357. This is why I'd like to read what some here have to say about it.)
The nice thing about this gun is that you can practice at the range using the cheapest, lightest-load .38 ammo you can find, and then use more expensive .357 for carry, or stick with a suitable .38 load.
So there are lots of options with a .357.
Unless you have unlimited funds, .44 mag ammo is expensive, so regular practise at the range (something a person who is carrying should do very frequently) can be an expensive proposition, plus, .44 mag can be tough on the hand, especially when firing it from a small, light gun. IMO, if .38 +P or .357 mag doesn't get the job done, .44 mag isn't going to do it, either.
Semi-autos are more difficult to clean than revolvers and, therefore, most semi owners put off cleaning their guns. That's OK for a range gun, but a bad thing for a carry gun.
Used a lot, semis are just an overall PIA compared to the comfort, reliability, ease-of-maintenance and peace of mind of the time-proven revolver design. The one and, imo, only advantage of a semi is a high-capacity magazine, and even that is almost certainly useless for carry.
Even with all of the above being said, can you imagine carrying around Dirty Harry's gun on a daily basis? I can't. No doubt that some will also find that even the relatively small SP101 is too big and heavy for day-to-day carry, so for those folks who want the ultimate in comfort, here's another recommendation - the Taurus Model 85 .38 Special in titanium.
I owned one of these, too, and depending on how I felt on any particular day, I might very well wear this instead of the 101. You wouldn't believe how small and light the 85 is, but it has 5 rounds of .38 +P on board. Because of that, it is absolutely wild to shoot it at the range.
It can actually be carried in a pocket, but I used a very small, light, inside-the-waistband cloth holster that was barely bigger than gun itself. I carried it in front, maybe four inches to the right of the waistband snap, usually underneath a loose golf shirt that was not tucked into my pants. I could raise the shirt with my left hand and draw the gun in well under a second. It was invisible, and the thing was so comfortable that I wore it everywhere, even while driving, without being aware that it was there.
Additionally, in a hot climate, where a carry gun will likely get wet from sweat, titanium is the perfect material that will resist corrosion - even better than stainless - and certainly better than any blued steel gun. You never have to wipe the gun down after use, for example. It has a titanum barrel and frame, but it has a stainless-steel bore/insert to take the abrasive wear of bullets blasting through it, so it's extremely strong for its size and it will have a long lifetime, even if it is used frequently at the range.
If anyone shoots either the 101 or the 85, I'd love to hear what you think of the experience, so please post.
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 1:03:40 PM
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That's a nice looking piece, I know my dad has an older .357 that's fairly short but I can't recall what model it was. It was his dad's I believe and it was machined professionally so the trigger pull on it is amazingly smooth and effortless. Which brings me to my second point, it's usually a lot harder to misfire a revolver (unless you cock it first) as compared to a semi-auto which I think is nice for concelead weapons use. Additionally, to anyone who thinks that carrying a 9mm for safety I'd STRONGLY advise you got get at least a .40, a 9mm is a worthless round against an attacker unless you're a crack shot under extreme pressure
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 2:05:48 PM
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i would imagine everything from a .22 up is a pretty good weapon against just about anybody.
you gota remember, it might only leave a 1/4 inch entrance wound
but it leaves an exit wound the size of a grapefruit.
in fact, .22's are what most assasins use. when cops see a murder with a .22, they immedatly assume it was an assasins bullet.
and do you honestly think that crackhead is gonna keep after the $80 in your wallet after you just shot em? i dont think he'll be like "oh, its just a .22 in my thigh. Ill keep going."
guns are mostly used for intimidation anyway.
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 2:09:52 PM
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I'd take a hollow point .22 or .22 LR over a 9mm, it's been shown in more than one circumstance that someone who is really hopped up on various drugs won't stop from a 9mm round, just not enough punch. Also, if you go hiking and want to carry something besides bear spray (which sucks btw...) a 9mm will literally bounce off the scull of a bear...
I know a while back that it was rumored the old police kevlar wouldn't stop a 22 since the round was so small it wouldn't disperse properly and the bullet would penetrate, this in turn slowed the rate of the bullet enough that is could bounce off bones internally and cause more damage... as I said though that was just a rumor I heard.
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 2:57:55 PM
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.22 hypersonic fmj LR (like mini-14/22-243)used to penetrate the layered kevlar vests, but won't now due to the new material weaves.
.22 is very deadly due to the lack of recoil and the greater potential accuracy of firing a light load from a heavy pistol (ruger bull barrel ftw). The Mob was famous for putting 2 in the head of their targets, from muzzle contact range.
The titanium snubnose is sweet. I have not fired one, but the klunker in my night stand is great, and the advanced metals must make it better-kudos for technology.
Bears, really? I picture the Colbert report, or South Park's Uncle Jimbo- "It's coming for us, kill it Ned kill it!!!".
I'll stick to hypothetical crackhead intruder situations rather than consider my ability to shoot after having my skull crushed by a Kodiak Island Monster. I figger if I have time to contemplate a shot, running for cover might be a better option. Or, don't sleep outside. Of course, black bears in Tennessee will let you pet them after you give them an open beer or ten. The also love grape sodas. Perhaps yankee bears are bitter due to their geographic ineptitude.
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 3:05:35 PM
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I'd take a hollow point .22 or .22 LR over a 9mm, it's been shown in more than one circumstance that someone who is really hopped up on various drugs won't stop from a 9mm round, just not enough punch. Also, if you go hiking and want to carry something besides bear spray (which sucks btw...) a 9mm will literally bounce off the scull of a bear...
I know a while back that it was rumored the old police kevlar wouldn't stop a 22 since the round was so small it wouldn't disperse properly and the bullet would penetrate, this in turn slowed the rate of the bullet enough that is could bounce off bones internally and cause more damage... as I said though that was just a rumor I heard.
If I shoot at anyone I am goingt o aim the first shot or two at their face. Nobody is going to walk away from a gunshot to the head. If I miss on the 1st two I aim at their face, then I'll aim for the body mass. After I hit the body mass, if I have any bullets left I'll unload the rest at their face.
That's the problem with people these days, everybody just wants to wound someone when they shoot them. If I ever have to shoot somebody, by God I am going to kill the SOB. For that reason, I'd pack a '9 any day of the week. Especially since you can get 15 rounds to a clip easily. If I shoot at someone 15 times and can't stop them, it must just be my time to go meet my maker. But I would still pistol-whip the hell out of the guy if I ran out of ammo. That's another reason I like heavy guns. If it doesn't work, hit him with it
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 3:11:48 PM
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Tony1M
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i would imagine everything from a .22 up is a pretty good weapon against just about anybody.
you gota remember, it might only leave a 1/4 inch entrance wound
but it leaves an exit wound the size of a grapefruit.
in fact, .22's are what most assasins use. when cops see a murder with a .22, they immedatly assume it was an assasins bullet.
and do you honestly think that crackhead is gonna keep after the $80 in your wallet after you just shot em? i dont think he'll be like "oh, its just a .22 in my thigh. Ill keep going."
guns are mostly used for intimidation anyway.
There is a ss Taurus that is very similar in size to their model 85, except that it's in 22 magnum caliber and it can hold 8 rounds.
I seriously considered this gun for a few reasons.
First, capacity.
Second, 22 mag hollow point, or some of those new exploding bullets, can do some very serious damage.
Third, if you should ever have to use a snub-nosed gun, either indoors or outdoors, you may very well end up deaf. The bigger the caliber, the more likely you will sustain permanent hearing damage. (Can you imagine using a short-barrel .44 mag in a home invasion situation in the middle of the night? You'd better get him with the first shot, because you'll be both blind and deaf after pulling that trigger.) I think using the 22 mag you might very well get out of it with little damage.
Fourth, again capacity, if one 22 mag shot doesn't do the job, I'd be willing to bet my life that 7 more would.
(I have been at the range when 40mm SW autos and .50 mag desert eagles were being fired. Take my word for it, anyone firing one of those things without hearing protection is going to be deaf. I was wearing 32 db NR muffs AND Purafoam earplugs at the time, and it still bothered my ears. IMO, those guns are completely worthless in just about every practical respect I can think of. They're strictly range guns and no more. What's the point, I ask myself?)
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 3:50:00 PM
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a have a friend that claims he knows a guy who shot a mag or deagle or something (cant remember what it was) and it broke the dudes nose. Not sure i believe him though.
I'd believe it, anyone who fails to hold a gun properly could EASILY do that. I nearly knocked myself out when I was like 12 and shot my dads Thompson Contender (he had the 30-30 barrel on) I hit my target but I didn't have a good enough grip (or enough strength who knows) and it kicked back and I knocked myself in the forehead with the scope the first time I shot it.
I would agree too, Kimber firearms rock! In fact their corporate center is up here in my hometown.
Yeah my friend and I went fishing with his .306 rifle...and some poles of course . Well, he started off shooting his .22 and I bust out his .306 and TRY to shoot it. I thought I had it far enough on my shoulder. Apparently I didn't. So I was jacking around and looking at things through the scope and then I decided to pull the trigger.-BAD IDEA- The gun slid under my armpit and the scope cut a moonshaped indention above my left eye. I stood there and like a little kid and I turned to my friend and half-consciously asked "Mike, am I gonna die?". Without missing a beat he replied "You will if you drop my gun in the dirt!". I lean it against a rock and walk to his truck got a rag to hold on my fresh cut, almost falling into the creek and passing out. I get home and my parents wondered what happened "meh i just fell on a rock."
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 4:01:12 PM
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*ROFL* were you shooting a 30-06 or a .308? not sure I recall a .306 but I've been wrong before.... When I was elk hunting (the first time) I was shooting at an elk in a laying position and the relief (distance your face is from the scope) on the gun I had was horrible so I "scoped" myself twice (gun kicked back far enough to smack me above the eye) luckily it was a rubber wrapped end so it didn't cut in... and yes, holding a gun of that caliber tight into your sholder is imperative...
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 4:14:27 PM
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oh sorry I meant 30-06 I wasn't for sure how to spell it
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 4:52:54 PM
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sorry, just re-read what I wrote, wasn't laughing at mis typing the round I was laughing about getting hit with the scope. I know how much it sucks but it does make for a good story! You should see what it looks like when someone fires a 50 Cal... even with a proper hold/rest it tosses you back like you wouldn't believe...
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RE: For all you gun lovers ..... - 1/14/2008 5:13:35 PM
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In my stupid youth I traded a very nice .308 Remington Model 600 short-barrel carbine for a custom-made 300 Win Mag long rifle, with scope.
I fired the thing a few times and handed it to a shooting buddy. He also decided to shoot it from prone. I told him to keep his head back from the scope, but he didn't. After his first shot, we ended up taking a quick trip to the emergency room to get that nasty, crescent-moon-shaped cut sewed up with a couple of stitches. Boy, did that sucker bleed for such a small cut! Must have been deep. Yes, I made the mistake of laughing when I first took a look at the cut. That did not go over too well.
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