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RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 8:20:49 AM    00AccordLX5spd Posts: 3815 Joined: 1/16/2007 Status: offline Before turbo, I would either rebuild the current engine, or buy a fairly low mileage engine from a salvage yard (you should be able to find one dirt cheap) and then piece together a turbo system.  Then on a weekend when you have enough time, slap it all together and swap the replacement engine in there.  You may even be able to sell your current engine to a salvage yard once you're done. H22 swap will get expensive and is pretty complicated.  Just ask live2rice. _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX Sedan F23A1 5spd -Short Shift Adapter -eBay SRI w/ K&N 1995 Accord V6 Sedan AT - AKA "the money pit" 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible - my daily driver all through college - now sits in my dad''s garage - needs a little TLC (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 16

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 8:43:06 AM    finch13 Posts: 4278 Joined: 6/7/2007 From: St. Paul, MN Status: offline I agree with Jon, you're only going to be able to pull of a head swap in a weekend. And why blow money on a turbo if the accelerated wear is just going to kill your already old engine faster. Rebuild outside of the car and swap in when you can. F22s are fairly cheap motors. _____________________________ USE ME TO SEARCH HAF PWOTY 2008! (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 17

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 9:25:32 AM    kahnvict850 Posts: 160 Joined: 3/28/2008 From: Panama City , FL Status: offline so you think i should buy an f22 from a salvage yard and rebuild it to handle the turbo boost, on one hand that would be a good idea, because i would be able to build it to handle a good amount of boost, with stronger pistons, rods and rings etc. , but on the other hand if i am going to end up doing a swap anyways, why not just do the h22 swap?  hmmmm decisions decisions...  but it is clear you think my 194,xxx engine is to worn out for the turbo, basically just asking for trouble putting a turbo on it?  thanks everyone for your opinions, i value everyones thoughts on this board, alot of knowledgable people on here and i appreaciate that. _____________________________ 96 lx 2.2 5 spd , 17 in motegi mr7 drop zone coilovers 2.5" drop aem cold air intake cat back exhaust kenwood cd/mp3/wma infinty 6 1/2 door infinity dual voice coil 6x9 ,2 10" bostwick comp subs power acoustic (in reply to finch13) Post #: 18

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 11:19:30 AM    00AccordLX5spd Posts: 3815 Joined: 1/16/2007 Status: offline It would be much easier to swap in another f22 (just built and turboed) than it would be to do an H22 swap.n  Just make sure you get one from a 96 or 97 Accord so you can use your same ECU.  Plus if you build it for boost, you could easily add enough boost to stomp an Accord with a stock H22.  h22's are also not the best motors to turbo. _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX Sedan F23A1 5spd -Short Shift Adapter -eBay SRI w/ K&N 1995 Accord V6 Sedan AT - AKA "the money pit" 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible - my daily driver all through college - now sits in my dad''s garage - needs a little TLC (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 19

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:33:28 PM    kahnvict850 Posts: 160 Joined: 3/28/2008 From: Panama City , FL Status: offline i don't know how or what you said that did it, but you just made my mind up, i'm gonna build a f22 to boost with turbo, what kind of budget do you think i need to do all the building except for buying the engine, i already checked my junk yard has one for $250 with what they SAY is only 85,xxx , but i don't care b/c i'm going all new from the bottom up, thanks for the input guys _____________________________ 96 lx 2.2 5 spd , 17 in motegi mr7 drop zone coilovers 2.5" drop aem cold air intake cat back exhaust kenwood cd/mp3/wma infinty 6 1/2 door infinity dual voice coil 6x9 ,2 10" bostwick comp subs power acoustic (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 20

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:37:44 PM    kahnvict850 Posts: 160 Joined: 3/28/2008 From: Panama City , FL Status: offline oh one more thing then i promise to leave ya'll alone,  since i'm building from the ground up, think i should go ahead and get a motor from a 96 or 97 vtec, ?? or just stick with my non vtec setup?? _____________________________ 96 lx 2.2 5 spd , 17 in motegi mr7 drop zone coilovers 2.5" drop aem cold air intake cat back exhaust kenwood cd/mp3/wma infinty 6 1/2 door infinity dual voice coil 6x9 ,2 10" bostwick comp subs power acoustic (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 21

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:40:11 PM    finch13 Posts: 4278 Joined: 6/7/2007 From: St. Paul, MN Status: offline Non-VTEC FTW. Its not going to be pretty when you're nicely tuned turbo set-up decided to slide over a lobe on the cam and turn your tuning to sh!t. _____________________________ USE ME TO SEARCH HAF PWOTY 2008! (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 22

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:42:27 PM    00AccordLX5spd Posts: 3815 Joined: 1/16/2007 Status: offline I've never done a turbo before (I'm just telling you everything I can remember I have read about them), but I've heard it can be done for around $1,500.  kevinaccord did his himself.  I would say to ask him, but he has been MIA for a while now. I think buying a duplicate motor and turbo is the smartest and most practical thing for you to do.  Plus hearing it spool and scream, and hearing that blowoff valve go psshhhht every time you shift would be fricken sweet.  Every time I see a car with turbo I always roll down my windows and turn my radio all the way down cause I want to hear it. If I were you I would do a ton of research on it before buying parts.  I would probably start by buying one of those books or something that explains how to set up a turbo.  Check out the turbo section here.  Also there is a 5th gen specific website - I think it is called gen5alive.com maybe?  I bet they have members with turbos and maybe some good info. I would love to eventually do a turbo, but it would be so far in the future I'm not even thinking about it now - I mean probably like 20 years down the road. _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX Sedan F23A1 5spd -Short Shift Adapter -eBay SRI w/ K&N 1995 Accord V6 Sedan AT - AKA "the money pit" 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible - my daily driver all through college - now sits in my dad''s garage - needs a little TLC (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 23

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:57:45 PM    finch13 Posts: 4278 Joined: 6/7/2007 From: St. Paul, MN Status: offline gen5alive is an okay site, but it's not too active. Also, if you do go turbo your going to have to get some sort of engine management to tune the system, I don't know if that's included in Jon's $1500 figure, but it's not cheap, nor is dyno time and tuning. _____________________________ USE ME TO SEARCH HAF PWOTY 2008! (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 24

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 2:58:58 PM    finch13 Posts: 4278 Joined: 6/7/2007 From: St. Paul, MN Status: offline PS - KevinAccord's mother died recently so he hasn't been on in a long while, but he does have a wealth of knowledge for DIY turboing. Try viewing his profile and looking at his recent posts. _____________________________ USE ME TO SEARCH HAF PWOTY 2008! (in reply to finch13) Post #: 25

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 3:25:06 PM    kahnvict850 Posts: 160 Joined: 3/28/2008 From: Panama City , FL Status: offline in response to finch, i think your first post meant for me not to go with the vtec correct? also the budget i will looking for was for the rebuild of the engine, sorry if i wasn't clear, i know i can do the turbo for around 1500-1700 just wondering what all those pistons rods rings valve  lifters etc might run to complete rebuild a 2.2 non vtec _____________________________ 96 lx 2.2 5 spd , 17 in motegi mr7 drop zone coilovers 2.5" drop aem cold air intake cat back exhaust kenwood cd/mp3/wma infinty 6 1/2 door infinity dual voice coil 6x9 ,2 10" bostwick comp subs power acoustic (in reply to finch13) Post #: 26

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 7:00:33 PM    white95 Posts: 123 Joined: 6/10/2007 Status: offline My suggestion would be to work towards turbo like this: Begin researching turbos, in the meantime spend your money on other mods (suspension, exhaust, stereo).  Then begin piecing together a turbo; I've read a lot of threads stating that it is cheaper this way.  When you have all the turbo parts, then buy a motor to build and set it up in the garage on an engine stand.  Put the turbo on your current engine (assuming it still runs ok), tweak it, and have some fun.  While you are enjoying the turbo, begin rebuilding the engine in the garage; hopefully you'll finish building it before blowing the current engine. I don't offer this advice based on turbo knowledge since I don't have any.  What I'm getting at is to do the cheaper stuff that you can get rid of easily should you change your mind.  If you put hundreds of dollars of turbo-friendly parts into rebuilding a motor and it doesn't get used (lost interest, wrecked car, etc...) it will be hard to sell since you are not a "reputable" engine builder.  If you do it my way and get rid of the car before it's finished, then you can easily put the car back to stock and sell the aftermarket stuff.  If you can't wait, and really need more power now, then I suggest you re-think the H22.  It may cost a little more, but you'll go from 130 HP to 200 HP within a week. Just my $.02 _____________________________ 95 Honda Accord LX 5-speed 95 Dodge Dakota SLT 5-speed CC 97 Dodge Caravan (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 27

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/21/2008 8:04:10 PM    kahnvict850 Posts: 160 Joined: 3/28/2008 From: Panama City , FL Status: offline that is also a good idea as well white, not sure how i want to go about this, maybe if it wasn't to pricy i could just go buy the engine and pay a shop to rebuild it???But on the other hand i kinda want to do the work myself for a sense of accomplishment you know.. as of right now i have around $2,500 to throw around so i am sure i can do some good things with this car and that kind of money... i still think turbo is the way to go for me just trying to find the best way to go about it. _____________________________ 96 lx 2.2 5 spd , 17 in motegi mr7 drop zone coilovers 2.5" drop aem cold air intake cat back exhaust kenwood cd/mp3/wma infinty 6 1/2 door infinity dual voice coil 6x9 ,2 10" bostwick comp subs power acoustic (in reply to white95) Post #: 28

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/22/2008 7:40:52 AM    00AccordLX5spd Posts: 3815 Joined: 1/16/2007 Status: offline I really couldn't tell you how much a rebuild would cost.  I would try to search around for a performance oriented import shop to see if they could quote you a price.  If it was me....I would probably buy an engine stand and that spare engine and try to DIY as much as I could. _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX Sedan F23A1 5spd -Short Shift Adapter -eBay SRI w/ K&N 1995 Accord V6 Sedan AT - AKA "the money pit" 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible - my daily driver all through college - now sits in my dad''s garage - needs a little TLC (in reply to kahnvict850) Post #: 29

RE: quick question about v-tec - 4/25/2008 10:14:22 AM    KevinAccord Posts: 1012 Joined: 4/30/2007 Status: offline Well i think that if you want to be able to have a variety of tuning opportunities, go turbo on a non-Vtec engine...(mine is Vtec and running just fine, but tunning is harder). The F22 handles boost better that the H22. I don't know you budget but turboing will take around 2800... and that is getting everything u'll need... i got the dyno free (good connections) (dated the guy's sister for 2 months)... this does not include the engine swap... (which i recomend if your a daily driver and need your car) take your car to a routine check; check cylinder compression, and purity of the oil to see if the engine is ok... < Message edited by KevinAccord -- 4/28/2008 11:53:42 AM > _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX i4 Turbo AT 18" Konig Unknown Rims MSD 6AL Gold Line Suspension Apexi Neo Few other Mods... Mini Cooper 2006 MT HID's 17" Rims Premium Package Sport Suspension Short Shifter Panoramic Sunroof Stock Engine (For (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 30

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