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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:13:24 PM   
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prob scrap it, it has a oil burning issue that seems to come and go as it pleases, and the block itself is chipped which is the only reason why i''m scrapping it and not building it, it still functions fine its just knowing that its there. 

and yeah going to sleeve the new one, run 12-13:1 compression.  and the h23 crank/rod adds about 5mm to the stroke, and i found those parts for $100, prob just take the crank and get forged rods for safe measures.  my friend told me to run 15:1 compression with methanol but idk about that


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:31:53 PM   
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12:1 compression ratio? 

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:36:47 PM   
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hmm thats too bad about the block. like finch said they seem nice for other projects lol. anyway. sounds fun the rest of the way. i wish i could get a hold of an accord with an H22. mines cool but i dont want to put anymore money as its body is getting some rust and it has been in an accident. my F22b2 is a monster as it goes now though. but anyway on the 15:1 and methanol. thats not gonna be fun lol. nitro methane is top fuel. tis expensive. a lot of power. youd need to get the front end really rigid and maybe even get a new drivetrain to handle it. thats drag only i think. plus youd have to have the engine completely remastered to handle it. i was thinkin about a top fuel 4 cylinder a couple weeks ago as a good idea lol

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:39:32 PM   
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nah that type of methanol, like the boost juice people run on FI so they can run more boost without detonation, you still run on gasoline, it just has methanol injection and in my case would have to be run all the time to prevent detonation if i decided to have 15:1 compression. 

but i dont think i''ll go that route


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:40:24 PM   
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12:1 compression ratio? 


hahahahaha!!!! nothin like high compression and wild cams. the sound is raw power.


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:44:13 PM   
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nah that type of methanol, like the boost juice people run on FI so they can run more boost without detonation, you still run on gasoline, it just has methanol injection and in my case would have to be run all the time to prevent detonation if i decided to have 15:1 compression. 

but i dont think i''''ll go that route



ohhh!! you mean ethanol/water injection. yeah thatd be fine. lol methane is kinda iffy. nitro methane is propane and oxygen its supposedly unlike anything else lol. like raw super NOS lol


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:53:20 PM   
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ohhh!! you mean ethanol/water injection. yeah thatd be fine. lol methane is kinda iffy. nitro methane is propane and oxygen its supposedly unlike anything else lol. like raw super NOS lol



Nah .... methanol injection is right for what he''s talking about.  Ethanol is coolant and water/meth injection is for boost applications to drop the boost charge temp so a denser charge gets into the cylinder.  Since L2R is planning to be NA, the water injection is useless.  The meth injection raises the effective octane so the 15:1 CR doesn''t blow the motor up ....... which presents a little problem ....... what if the bottle runs out, the pump dies or you get a bad tank of gas????  On a high boost system, the water/meth system can restrict high boost when empty ..... on an NA that needs the injection, it goes boom!!!

Best bet is to design a system that can function on its own.


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 1:55:41 PM   
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yeah those were all things i had thought about, but i dont think i''m going to run that high of compression anyways,  i''m just going to do the highest i can without the pistons coming out of the block, which with the h23 crank and rods is going to be around 13. 

and if i have to run 110 octane so be it


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 2:21:10 PM   
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110 is borderline reasonable ..... just keep a few bottles of drygas handy.

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/2/2008 4:51:52 PM   
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ohhh!! you mean ethanol/water injection. yeah thatd be fine. lol methane is kinda iffy. nitro methane is propane and oxygen its supposedly unlike anything else lol. like raw super NOS lol



Nah .... methanol injection is right for what he''''s talking about.  Ethanol is coolant and water/meth injection is for boost applications to drop the boost charge temp so a denser charge gets into the cylinder.  Since L2R is planning to be NA, the water injection is useless.  The meth injection raises the effective octane so the 15:1 CR doesn''''t blow the motor up ....... which presents a little problem ....... what if the bottle runs out, the pump dies or you get a bad tank of gas????  On a high boost system, the water/meth system can restrict high boost when empty ..... on an NA that needs the injection, it goes boom!!!

Best bet is to design a system that can function on its own.



haha sorry forgot the m lol. i meant methanol/water. i thought he was talking about methanol/methane fuel lol. as for ethanol...either drink it or get a flex fuel.


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/3/2008 6:56:21 AM   
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My bad .... I was thinking ethylene glycol > coolant.  Ethanol > Everclear ..... yeah, drink it!!!  You first! 

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/3/2008 7:23:11 AM   
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there''s a DIY on one of these sites that shows how to go to a TSX manifold, which is i guess the best manifold for our cars; but it turned out it didn''t really provide any practical results for the work involved.

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/3/2008 2:11:38 PM   
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My bad .... I was thinking ethylene glycol > coolant.  Ethanol > Everclear ..... yeah, drink it!!!  You first! 


i figured thats what you meant lol. chemistry...theyre fairly similar. as for alcohol im not much of a drinker.


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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/10/2008 1:43:14 PM   
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i found an f22b2 intake manifold on ebay and the guy wants 35+18 shipping. is that a good price. it has no sensors

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RE: MOdifying an intake Manifold?? - 9/10/2008 1:44:54 PM   
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seems like a pretty god deal, i still doubt you will get any noticeable gains if you get it and dremel it out, but thats IHMO

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