RE: BUSH
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(last vote on : 9/9/2006 11:19:50 AM)
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 4:47:10 PM
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AgentofDarkness
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Actually the government does have something to do with education. If the government hired more teachers then you would have classrooms with 30 kids to a room. The student to teacher ratio is a big part of education. If the teachers have less students, they can take out the time to help the students one on one which helps a lot. The places that have really bad test scores have no money. Some of these teachers are paid $22,000 a year. I'm pretty sure these are the same schools with 30+ students/class. Leaving everything up to a students is pretty hard. You can't teach yourself everything. Go pickup a book on calculus and try and teach yourself. Some people might be able to do it, but most people cannot. I will agree that good teachers make a difference, but do you think anyone that is smart enough to be a good teacher will work for 22k a year? I don't think so, it is alot easier for them to work in the private sector and get more money. The people that make the best teacher are usually very smart b/c you really have to know your stuff to be able to teach it. If your that smart you can prolly do better than 22k a year.
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 6:32:42 PM
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tom15425
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A good point. 22k is way too low for anyone to be attracted to becoming a teacher, so this crisis could only get worse. Could I therefore assume that the teachers now are mostly good sumaritans who want kids to learn? I really think that this problem is not as much the governments fault as it is the teachers, because teachers definitely have a say on how students, throughout the course of their young lives, are formed into adults. Basically teachers, family, religion, and a person's friends are the big influences in their lives. Then is it just the kids not caring? Something had to instill that. Sure some kids may be born with it, or parenting and what not, but I don't think that accounts for the percentage figure we are seeing of kids not learning/caring. I'm pretty much just typing what I'm thinking right now. Perhaps a pay increase all around is a good start, though it certainly won't fix the whole thing. It may help, but remember that deficit figure you were blaming capt. Bush about. 
< Message edited by tom15425 -- 5/18/2006 6:33:13 PM >
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 6:57:59 PM
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AgentofDarkness
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Yea, i have 3 teachers that gave up higher paying jobs for teaching high school. Not every teacher makes 22k, teachers in a better neighboorhood make more money, some of the top people at our school make 100K. I live in a middle class area and we have really good schools. However, my issue is with inner city schools. The kids in these schools need the direction and motivation of good teachers the most. They also have the least amount of money. We want to fight a war on drugs and crime, but there is no point trying to be tough on crime unless you fix the schools in the areas that the criminals come from. I think that we have to put more money in the inner cities and schools where they need it the most instead of cutting thier funding b/c thier test scores are low. If the test scores are low, there is a reason for it. Someone else mentioned that the kids don't car, you better make them care because the kids that don't care are gonna be the same kids that end up in gangs, sell drugs, kill people, and end up in jails.
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 7:47:05 PM
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marbro
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You still cant make the kids care, cause there are so many that do get a good education and dont give a damn. Singling out inner city schools as a problem area needing to be fixed .like singling out the kid with glasses to torment. A bunch of schools in my area were complaining about how they didnt have enough funding and pushed to get more, when they were assessed for the need for updating and more funding for teachers, they found that most of the schools had a surplus of money that they didnt want to spend, and things werent in disrepair and there was not a thing wrong, so extra funding was denied. I'm not saying thats how it is in every area but when a school manages the money that they do have things become a lot better. The on top of that, being a teacher has been known as a low paying job for many years, and the 7 people I know arent going into teaching for money, but to teach, theres an odd concept dont you think?
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 8:03:02 PM
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AgentofDarkness
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You say that you know a school with a surplus but doesn't want to spend it. What about the schools that don't have a surplus not to spend? What about the schools that barely have enough money to keep the doors open? I think that these are the schools that deserve more funding. I use inner city school as an example b/c those schools are a good example. The schools are poor, the people are poor, and the kids get shafted. It sounds like you are pretty much saying screw them they are hopeless and i don't believe in that.
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 10:53:32 PM
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marbro
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ummmm no.... i said that may not be the situation with every school, and your use of inner city schools that are good example when many of those schools have more problem children then anything, and those problem children dont exist due to a lack of school funding, most citys dont allocate proper funding because those schools are in the worst areas and on top of that realistically it wont change their situation, why, because just cause a teacher can teach them, doesnt mean they will listen or care. You obviously think that money for the school is going to make the world better for these kids when their lives out side of school has nothing to do with the school itself, and the schools once again arent the ultimate solution to change a problem thats been there for decades. Willingness to be educated is a choice, and not something that can be forced nor and you make a bunch of people care when they never did before.
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 10:54:02 PM
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marbro
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this post exists cause mr server was acting weird and didnt send the initial post the normal way...
< Message edited by marbro -- 5/19/2006 10:28:58 AM >
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RE: BUSH - 5/18/2006 11:55:13 PM
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AgentofDarkness
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Cause sending them to jail or letting them shoot each other is a much better idea.
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RE: BUSH - 5/19/2006 1:22:35 AM
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marbro
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and trying to get them goto school is obviously working to solve that, now isnt it ^_- that situation happens not because of a lack of school, that happens because children are easily manipulated into thinking they need something they dont, and dont try to use that as a school can fix that, because you still have to deal with other kids and other pressures that dont involve an education. You cant tell me youre friends with everyone in your school, and you definetly cant tell me people at your school dont harrass other people just cause of how they look or cause they look like a dork. The inner city schools you feel the need to point out and 100 times worst then the school that you attend, they lack a defined direction that school isnt providing, and that parents either arent trying to provide, or just lack the control on their child
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RE: BUSH - 5/19/2006 3:50:36 AM
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tom15425
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I blame rap music and video games.
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children are easily manipulated
BAM!
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RE: BUSH - 5/19/2006 10:27:47 AM
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marbro
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oh, hell no...... dont bring video games into this, thanks to those i dont have an active urge to kill people :op but rap music and rap music videos dont exactly promote a friendly development for kids, but parents dont exactly teach their children that there are some things that just shouldnt be said or done in public..... but in the end.... most kids are influenced by their peers
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RE: BUSH - 5/19/2006 10:58:11 PM
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WheelBrokerAng
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*Remember One Thing...he is All The Peoples President---no matter what you think...Get My Drift!
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What do you think about president bush?
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RE: BUSH - 5/20/2006 12:47:25 AM
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AgentofDarkness
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quote:
ORIGINAL: WheelBrokerAng
*Remember One Thing...he is All The Peoples President---no matter what you think...Get My Drift!
Not really. Could you elaborate?
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RE: BUSH - 5/20/2006 1:24:51 AM
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marbro
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IE, it doesnt matter what you think, hes in office, and unless he reeeeally screws up, you arent going to see him gone until the end of his term
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RE: BUSH - 5/20/2006 2:32:32 PM
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lightshow
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yea we all voted for him........and i can take ownership of the magnanamous mistake that we made by electing him. he is the president that we all wanted. he lives in the present. educating the population is not an issue in his mind, he is big business, he wants the rich to get much richer and everyone else to get poorer. he capable of doing whatever he needs to, to get what he wants. ill bump that video is put up on here a while ago. everyone should watch it. i definately think that there may be parts of the movie that are exaggerated or not true at all, but i would love for someone to be able to say that all of it is lies. and if some of the things are true, then what else is?
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