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BUSH


Impeached
  17% (5)
Great President
  10% (3)
he's OK
  7% (2)
Could be better
  28% (8)
Worst president ever
  35% (10)


Total Votes : 28
(last vote on : 9/9/2006 11:19:50 AM)
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BUSH

  

poff1986 -> BUSH (5/17/2006 9:41:45 PM)

What do you think about president bush?[:-]

  
marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 9:59:20 PM)

*head hits table* for the love of god.... please...... dont get on this subject......

tom15425 -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 10:24:47 PM)

As Marbro said, politics is always tredding dangerous ground for conversation...

AgentofDarkness -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 10:24:59 PM)

Nice guy that has no buisness in the White House. He gave me an Achievement Award.

marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 10:34:20 PM)

......... has no business in the white house....... that would be treading on that ground tom was talking about....... I have just a few words of wisdom, 1 dont try to blame anything on a president that has been a growing problem long before he was in office, oddly enough hes not the only president that weve had. 2 he is the commander and cheif, which means he has control over our military forces, everything else is brought into being ultimately by congress and legislature, so dont tell me the president is worse then those people, cause it takes a lot more then one person to do something that alters our society. Its the objective of each president if fix the screw ups of the previous, and considering the one before bush, there was a lot to fix and there wont be any less that needs fixed come 2008

If the president were all powerful, there wouldnt be laws in place that could have him impeached or have his policies and orders overruled!!

AgentofDarkness -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 10:42:16 PM)

I dunno how bush has fixed anything. You are right that it takes more than one person to screw up a society, but Bush is leading the Republican party which has control of the House and Senate so i think he did make a profound difference. America was going pretty good before 2000.

marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/17/2006 11:08:25 PM)

and oddly enough the economy was going down hill, people just didnt notice it cause clinton was busy being a playboy and getting the thumbs up for jesse jackson. I didnt say bush fixed anything, but I can say bush didnt take our military forces down to 20% of effective operations.
You can say, oh but cliton went on a campaign for helping children to read! but guess what, they still cant read, I guess that helped didnt it. ^_-
Republican party control over the house and the senate? do you know what that means?! NOTHING! Cause ultimately its left up to them to make the choice, and theyve make choices in spite of what the president has gone for. People are too tied up in republican or democrat to realize that both are capable of doing overly stupid things and blaming the other party for it.
As for things being pretty good before 2000, its still pretty good now, its just society has been bringing out whats the worst in america, and they are doing that all on their own, has nothing to do with the president.

AgentofDarkness -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:05:18 AM)

Helping kids read? Have you heard of No Child Left Behind? This was bush's program to "fix" the school system. It didn't fix the problem, it was a stupid program to begin with and it was made worse by bush underfunding. NCLB finds the schools that are have low test scores and cuts thier funding. How does that make sense? Shouldn't these be the schools that get more money so they can get back up to speed? Chances are the reason that the test scores are so low is because the quality of education is terrible b/c the school is in a poor neighborhood. I don't think that America is better today than it was 6 years ago. I don't even think America is the same. We are running RECORD defeciets. Whatever happend to a balanced budget? At least with Clinton there wasn't a record defeciet, in fact there was a surplus. Don't even get me started on civil liberties.

marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:39:34 AM)

Wow, it is the full and expressed responsibility of the president to help run your life? Its up to those children to make the effort to learn, if those children arent learning anything, its obviously the presidents fault? Evidently the individual states arent funding the public schools either, cause if they were there wouldnt be any need to try to help fund at the federal level. Then, at what point do parents become responsible for helping their children learn along with the school systems?

And your saying at least there wasnt a deficet when clinton was in office, i bet if bush reduced the military down to nothing there would be a surplus right now too. Civil Liberties have nothing to do with how the state or the federal government chooses to spend the money, after all its the people of the state that helped those people into the possitions that they were in, and that ment accepting any choices that they make during their term. Oddly enough a lot of schools goto the parents of the children to help fund the education of their child thats attending the school. Theres a failure in education because of the fact that kids attending school dont care, and some of the wrong people are teachers and became teachers for all the wrong reasons.
The reason test scores are so low is because there are more then enough selfish children out there that dont care to learn and look for other activities to fill their time. So things are the way they are because people stopped giving a damn, oddly enough thats not directly related to the government.

Once again, a situation of pointing fingers at someone when those pointing the fingers have the control.

And you cant say it was a close vote for bush winning, the last election was the largest voter turn out in god knows how long, and he won by what? 300000 votes? or more then that?

The people cant make proper decisions on their own so they see to blame that which they brought into power? And dont make any choices beyond their own petty lives and blame others because they didnt make the effort to help fix the problem and sit there and expect others to do it for them.

At this point i would like to note, I said please dont go onto this subject, and agent, you did just by saying he had no business in office, thats getting on the subject, and I got tired of people attack him long ago, cause people dont want to accept that they do have some control in what goes on in their community

tom15425 -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:42:00 AM)

Ahhh, I can't take it and I gotta get at least a little of my say in, please respect me in the morning....... I agree that the whole funding thing is messed up but, if you think about it, either way it could of been handled in that respect (money) isn't going to change anything. Public schools are funded by the government, so basically the government pays the teachers. If the teachers give kids bad grades for not doing the work or them being incompetent teachers (not all, some), they get the shaft. If they do as some are doing, and give kids the grades whether they do anything or not, then you end up with people who shouldn't be in the colleges they are getting into and other hard working students get the shaft. On the other hand, if the pay goes up as grades go down, that money still does nothing to determine how teachers will teach, they just get more money for not teaching. It may even adversly effect schools by getting people to become teachers soley for the money. Bottom line is, it isn't really a matter of money; money doesn't create education. I mean, teachers need to be paid a respectable amount, but the line is that we need good teachers. It's a bad situation; he tried (because Americans would've been mad if he didn't back up that he was going to try to help schools in the election) but didn't get it done because it isn't in his control. As far as Bush being the devil, I definitely agree with marbro here. One man, even if hes the president, doesn't control everything in our system. Checks and balances make it hard to get things done quickly (but they are of course necissary to protect us from a dictator). If Presidents could control everything we'd probably wouldn't be arguing now because Clinton would've made Canada have to close to boarder. Record deficit is due to the war primarily. I really don't want to type my whole arguement about the war, but as far as that goes, we need to realize terrorist attacks have only increased on the US since the 70s. Something needed to be done. I don't necissarily think we went around doing it in the best way, but we need to be support our troops right now, not underfund them to make the deficit look good. I'm done for now.

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Once again, a situation of pointing fingers at someone when those pointing the fingers have the control.

And you cant say it was a close vote for bush winning, the last election was the largest voter turn out in god knows how long, and he won by what? 300000 votes? or more then that?


Exactly.

tom15425 -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:44:39 AM)

Man, thats a block of text right there, anyone who reads that whole thing: Props [:D]. Lets keep this topic as friendly/unoffensive as possible.

marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:46:49 AM)

I think everyones bitter on the subject lol

I would just like to say, i didnt cast my vote in this thread ^_- just like i didnt for the 2004 elections, cause i knew bush would win

tom15425 -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 12:49:30 AM)

I don't think I'm bitter just yet, but I definitely love to debate. I'm wierd like that. I kinda view myself as independent, but the Democratic party didn't really have a good candidate for 2004 so, yeah I don't know.

marbro -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 3:05:58 AM)

I like to argue more then debate, lol, but i viewed 2004 as, if the other guy got into office, things would be a lot worse right now, but im just bitter cause everyone attacks bush with out any truely justifible reason.

deserthonda -> RE: BUSH (5/18/2006 2:45:33 PM)

MMM.... I am definately staying out of this 1 [:)]

  

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