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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/7/2007 5:30:55 PM
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millpond
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If the American Indians would have had better imigration laws, they would be in a much better position today.
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/7/2007 7:29:44 PM
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marbro
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........................................ there’s no such thing as an American Indian........ and back when the tribes were in control there was no consistent cohesion between the tribes to have large control over the land. sooooooooo millpond..... shoosh
But illegal immigration i am completely against, considering the fact that they are slowly starting to say that American isn’t the official language of USA, BUT were paying Medicare dollars to people who aren’t even legally in this country and most likely arent even paying taxes themselves. Then on top of that they are talking about trying to get a bill passed for them to draw from social security.
Why should we cater to a ******* country that we couldn’t immigrate to even if we wanted to. US citizens going to Mexico are required to have proof of income in order to even legally live there, BUT we cant get any jobs there because we aren’t Mexican citizens. No that I would want to move there to being with...... or even be a Mexican citizen.....
Ultimately illegal immigrants are slowly destroying our economy because they spread like rabbits and take more low paying jobs thereby decreasing the wages that companies are willing to pay and on top of that the reason they can afford to do that is because they are living 7+ people to a house. Go figure, 7+ people making 5 bucks an hour can afford a house!! But yeah.... I’m not going anymore into this......
OH.... and to you people who think I’m racist? FU!!!! It’s not racist to care about the preservation of your own society.
< Message edited by WheelBrokerAng -- 3/9/2007 1:15:23 AM >
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/7/2007 7:54:17 PM
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I love the american indian statements and thought process etc.... Consider for a minute that we wiped out more native indians than hitler killed people in WWII... who's the tyrant now? But that's a completely different topic...
As for immigration, I think that mexican workers are crucial to much of our economy, ask any southern state farmer and you'll understand why. HOWEVER, I believe work type programs are what's needed for this, allow people in legally to work and pay them appropriatly in accordance with what would be a decent wage for their country. This means they have a good paying job, and american items such as oranges etc. don't jump in price. Sounds good for both parties, then after 1 year of work allow them to apply for citizenship, any criminal records whatsoever instantly denies you the right to work or live here. Now onto the part that REALLY ticks me off.... illegal immegrants who are in the U.S. and pregnant, FREE HEALTHCARE, FREE CHILDBIRTH, I just paid over $4000.00 to have my son because I'm a legal citizen. Then that baby of theirs that's born here is given U.S. citizenship! Fine, give them free childbirth and such because I'm not going to put a price on human life but then DEPORT them and their kid back to wherever they are from, then if you've been deported once and you come back into the states illegally you get a mandatory 6 months in jail then deported again without the chance of ever gaining citizenship...
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/8/2007 9:16:20 PM
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poser_pilot6
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I think its bs as well. I dont understand how we can give them rights like an American citizen, but they are ILLEGAL immigrants. How does that make sense? I personally feel that anytime some illegal immigrant is caught, they should be immediately shipped out. I think we need to beef up our border security, we need to start deporting people, and we need to do it now. With as many illegals as we get crossing our borders every day, its amazing that we dont have more terrorists in our country. Or, even scarier, imagine how many terrorists there might be, already living here in the States, planning something big and horrible. Anyone think we DONT need a stronger border enforcement policy?
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/8/2007 9:47:00 PM
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I think its bs as well. I dont understand how we can give them rights like an American citizen, but they are ILLEGAL immigrants. How does that make sense? I personally feel that anytime some illegal immigrant is caught, they should be immediately shipped out. I think we need to beef up our border security, we need to start deporting people, and we need to do it now. With as many illegals as we get crossing our borders every day, its amazing that we dont have more terrorists in our country. Or, even scarier, imagine how many terrorists there might be, already living here in the States, planning something big and horrible. Anyone think we DONT need a stronger border enforcement policy?
I agree completely! Except for the deportation, I think they need to have prison time for their first offense. As I did two research papers on illegal immigration, the majoirty who are deported simply come back with a bettr sense of how to get in the U.S and hide from the Border Patrol.
As for the terrorist thing I agree completly. According to some of that research they have caught upwards of 86 people believed to have ties w/ some sort of terrorist group. I simply wish Bush would buck up and build a wall. It needs to have motion detectors every so often to pinpoint where it is being crossed to stop it. It also should go far into the ground to prevent tunneling.
In my honest opinion, I think the terrorists will strike out country again, and will have made it into the U.S through Mexico. Then people will be outraged as to why there wasnt more protection, Mexico will say it wanst their fault, and organizations supporting illegal immigration will either go into some sort of hibernating, have a negative look from America, or simply say they couldnt have prevented it. I wish politcs werent so stupid. It needs a overhaul thats direct to the point. Build the wall, simple as that!
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/8/2007 10:17:12 PM
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MacLeod
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I think the answer is to crack down on those employing and housing illegals.
If the INS started cracking down and fining companies say $10,000 for each illegal they have working for them or for each illegal theyre renting to, they would stop doing so. And if nobody would hire them or house them, they would eventually stop coming over here.
Anyone who wants to immigrate here thru legal channels and become a citizen and contribute to this country, Ill be the first one to shake their hand and say "welcome".
Anyone who wants to enter this country illegally, refuse to learn the language, get jobs so they can send the money back to Mexico, Ill be the first one to say "get out".
As for the Indian thing. Yeah, what happened to them when this country was first being formed was a tragedy. However, as a result they now live in the most prosperous and best country in the history of the world with opportunities they could only have dreamed of. I think this country has repaid any debt it may have had to any group simply by becoming the shining city on a hill that it has.
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RE: Illegal Immigration? - 3/8/2007 11:32:48 PM
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mknauff
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Your legal green card holding resident of the US does not want and will not take the jobs the Mexicans perform. Your economy requires this cheap labour. The farmers isolate themselves by dealing with employment contractors and the contractors don't care. Everyone loses. The Mexicans becuase they forced to live an underworld life and deal with sub-standard living and wage conditions. The US economy loses because there is not the generated tax revenue.
The real answer lies in allowing the workers into the courty in a legal controlled manner. I want CA fruit and veggies. You can't buy a new Honda picking fruit so you won't do it. Who will.
Mostly, the people you find leaving their country and families are not low-lifes. These are often very good, hard working people we are talking about who want nothing more than a better life for their families.
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RE: Illegal Immigration? Please Read - 3/9/2007 1:13:47 AM
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WheelBrokerAng
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Good evening and morning to those who are reading and posting in here.
I want to commend all of you who can and are keeping a civil toungue while posting about this serious subject..Mabro..keep your vulgar wording out ..Thank You!.
This is an intellegent discussion and all of you are posting in it very well...Thank You All Very Much!
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RE: Illegal Immigration? Please Read - 3/11/2007 1:47:13 PM
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Trav20
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I don't think we should kick them out if they are finding a job and trying to become legal citizens...It's the ones that come up here and starts selling drugs and getting into gangs are the ones we should kick out, but you can't really tell when they sneak across the border. A man who can't get enough money to support his family and goes to america to get a job is the man who should live here. The man who comes up here to sell drugs to local gangs should be launched from a circus cannon on the border and shoot him atleast 30 miles south.
And as for the language changing...English should always be the primary language, but we are going to have to learn another language because of the diverse society we live in.
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RE: Illegal Immigration? Please Read - 3/11/2007 2:55:21 PM
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deserthonda
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for what it is worth i will throw in my 2 cents worth >>
I totally agree that we should not learn their language but if any aliens come to US it is their responsability to learn OUR language ..
i feel that the reason a lot of mexicans illigally come to US is # 1 for the LOVE of their family to better themselves of the way of living .. if they had a good living i am sure they would not go to a different country and # 2 because they cannot come here legally ...and # 3 ,, because if they get caught what does the US government do ??? gives them a ride in a car back to the border ,, so what do they do?? jump the fence and try again a day or 2 later , at this rate they might try numerous times untill they finally make it in to stay .... I think there should be strickter laws if someone is caught illigally ..and not just a nice car ride back
having said that if i were on the same shoes as some of these people and i thought that i could better my family's way of living i would do it as well,, family ALWAYS comes first ..
Now the thing that REALLY upsets me , is the fact that they come over to US purposely the day when they are due have babies , and what does the US government do ?? brings them into the hospital, takes care of them and all AT NO COST TO THEM .. and what happens if you are an Americam Citizen , paying taxes ,, you get a kick in the ass unless you have insurance ,, Oh they will take you in but than they will bill you so you got to pay or the collection agency will knock on your door and your credit will be totally ruined and you might lose some of your possessions .
we have to be good Humans and take care of people in need but the US should take care of their OWN people first , WE and our kids are the ones that sacrifices our lives to defend this country and go to war ,, ask that of an illigal immigrant,,( good old U.S, government ) and see how far you get ..
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RE: Illegal Immigration? Please Read - 3/11/2007 3:17:16 PM
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poser_pilot6
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Im with 19Accord97 and deserthonda on the language thing. I wouldnt go to live in Japan and expect them to know English, I would expect that I would need to know Japanese, since IM the foreigner there.
I think that there should be a program that trades military service for citizenship. If you want legal residence in the US, you do three years in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or Coast Guard. You do your three years, you and your wife (or husband, if the wife is the one that joined) and kids get your residence. If you get kicked out for not being able to cut it or getting in trouble, well, you get to go back to your country. If you die in the service of this great country, your family gets legal residence anyway. This would bring new recruits into the military (which desperately needs more troops) and would give us more tax paying citizens. Thats my two cents.
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RE: Illegal Immigration? Please Read - 3/11/2007 6:22:51 PM
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Trav20
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And as for the language changing...English should always be the primary language, but we are going to have to learn another language because of the diverse society we live in.
I completely disagree. Learning the language of people immigrating to our country does not make any sense. Look at it from this stand point. If I or you were to go to say Germany, would you expect people their to know English and have an expectation of them to conform to you? I would think not. If I were going to Germany I would use common sense and have either a book or take a class to learn German.
In my opinion, thinking that someone will conform to your language is ridiculous, not only that but it can be costly too with hiring interpretors and what not. Just my .02.
Ok maybe i didn't go into much detail...it would be better to know the language of the immigrants who are primarily coming here. Im not going to learn german because there are more spanish speaking people moving here than there are germans. Might as well learn spanish anyways(common sense wise) because I doubt it if we put a 50 foot tall&wide concrete wall along the border would stop them from getting here. They are always going to find a way to get here whether they get killed in the process or not America is what they want.
Plus if you have had any history knowledge...We pretty much stole the the southern states from about texas to southern california. Don't you think they want that back. Why do you think the native americans are so pissed, because we came here killed them then took their land. This is basically what is happening to us...don't you think karma is getting back to us?
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