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RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/25/2007 7:40:51 AM    falkore24 Posts: 5545 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline The bar doesn't even look like it's on the ground.  Adjusting the weight distribution is going to do more on a FWD than a wheelie bar will ever do.  I still don't see how it would help, the rise on a FWD isn't going to flex the bar enough to make a difference. (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 31

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/25/2007 10:59:57 PM    LyRiKaL_hondaboy Posts: 32 Joined: 8/23/2007 Status: offline i was at a nopi event a while back and just about all the fwd cars had wheelie bars and the announcer said that alotta people always ask why and he was sayin the same thing, that it helps em down the track...keeps the car stable kinda like a extra set of wheels back there. even tho its front wheel drive it still helps i can see that cuz this guy here in my town had a k20 swap in a 94 civic coupe and he hadnt upgraded his suspension or anything and when he lauched his car squated so bad, it was like his back bumper hit the pavement lol....so i can see it helping _____________________________ 2003 Accord Coupe EX V6 MT CM8 J30A4 tein basics! in need of jdm goodies! __________ R.Taylor vs LyRiKaL (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 32

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/26/2007 2:43:43 PM    Shadow1992 Posts: 332 Joined: 1/10/2007 Status: offline I know the real answer!!!! Wheelie bars add an extra 100hp!! Who wouldn't want that? _____________________________ 1992 Accord EX massively modifed H22A 2.5L stroker kit GT35R turbo @ 24psi 459 whp 404 ft-lbs torque (in reply to LyRiKaL_hondaboy) Post #: 33

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/26/2007 7:57:48 PM    marbro Posts: 1478 Joined: 1/16/2006 Status: offline things i would like to note, first  he went from saying fwd to 4wd,   second the wheels sit about 2 inches inside the wheelwells, third yes 1300 is possible but the engine rebuild would be insane and the amount of work behind it would make it nothing like the engine it originally was,   fouth the second run he wasnt even shifting....  you could hear it hitting the revlimited....... poor thing.... _____________________________ 98' Accord project car/ Daily driver (in reply to 00AccordLX5spd) Post #: 34

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/27/2007 3:38:15 PM    KevinAccord Posts: 1011 Joined: 4/30/2007 Status: offline 100hp for a wheeliebar???i want 3! do i have to pay more at toolbooth?   _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX i4 Turbo AT 18" Konig Unknown Rims MSD 6AL Gold Line Suspension Apexi Neo Few other Mods... Mini Cooper 2006 MT HID's 17" Rims Premium Package Sport Suspension Short Shifter Panoramic Sunroof Stock Engine (For (in reply to marbro) Post #: 35

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/27/2007 8:30:42 PM    BRIVOLBN7Q   Posts: 62 Joined: 2/14/2007 Status: offline DAMN SHADOWS _____________________________ "got v-tec?" 99' LX 4dr F23A1 4cyl 06' eclispe (in reply to KevinAccord) Post #: 36

RE: Accord can be fast? - 10/28/2007 5:35:53 PM    KevinAccord Posts: 1011 Joined: 4/30/2007 Status: offline hahahha _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX i4 Turbo AT 18" Konig Unknown Rims MSD 6AL Gold Line Suspension Apexi Neo Few other Mods... Mini Cooper 2006 MT HID's 17" Rims Premium Package Sport Suspension Short Shifter Panoramic Sunroof Stock Engine (For (in reply to BRIVOLBN7Q) Post #: 37

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/3/2007 4:49:33 PM    bettner12   Posts: 4 Joined: 12/3/2007 Status: offline wheelie bar on FWD's are to keep the back end from slamming down from the weight transfer under acceleration, it should come into contact with the track as soon as possible under load and be as long as sanctions allow to transfer the pivot point from the rear wheels to the wheelie bar and keep most of the cars weight planted on the front tyres _____________________________ 99 4dr accord EX 99 GSX-R600 only 50 hp difference between the two, you do the math... (in reply to KevinAccord) Post #: 38

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 8:46:17 AM    falkore24 Posts: 5545 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline I don't buy it!!!  If the engine puts out that much power, it should have poly mounts, a torsion damper or 2 and in extreme cases, straps.  With these and a launch type suspension, I don't see the bar adding anything but weight. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to bettner12) Post #: 39

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 9:09:07 AM    KevinAccord Posts: 1011 Joined: 4/30/2007 Status: offline im lost... still think it's unnecessary (is that spelled correctly?) to put a whellie bar in a FWD car... _____________________________ 2000 Accord LX i4 Turbo AT 18" Konig Unknown Rims MSD 6AL Gold Line Suspension Apexi Neo Few other Mods... Mini Cooper 2006 MT HID's 17" Rims Premium Package Sport Suspension Short Shifter Panoramic Sunroof Stock Engine (For (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 40

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 1:15:39 PM    bettner12   Posts: 4 Joined: 12/3/2007 Status: offline a more accurate name for FWD applications would be a traction bar. they keep the front tires planted harder, argue with physics if you want, you're going to loose, every time. adding a wheelie bar is like effectively having a solid rear suspension setup which result in less rear end squat under acceleration. lt effectively lengthens your wheel base when the traction bars come into contact with the track, which makes weight transfer harder (in reply to KevinAccord) Post #: 41

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 1:42:25 PM    falkore24 Posts: 5545 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline I'm not arguing with physics .... I'm using physics for my arguement.  Ok, so you want to call it a traction bar.  Fine!  If the car's systems are set up correctly, it still just adds weight.  Unless the rear of the car is lifted and the bar placed lower than the rear wheels or the bar has a massive torsion spring on it, it will never touch the ground.  If these were done, it still wouldn't help with anything at all!!!!   Please show me the physics that you claim that I am arguing against.  Now if we were talking about a wheel with a lifting mechanism to change the stance of the car, I'd think that would work, but then again you change the stance from the suspension. I'm not convinced that a wheelie bar or a traction bar provides any benefit to a properly built FWD vehicle. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to bettner12) Post #: 42

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 3:22:11 PM    bettner12   Posts: 4 Joined: 12/3/2007 Status: offline which is stiffer, a solid frame, or coilovers with a high spring rate?  true a properly built setup would have minimum give in the rear, but i believe it would be the conservation of momentum that i awould be agreeing with. all the non rotating weight( not accelerating, but rather being pulled along) will want stay stationany and will rotate along any axis possible towards the direction that the car is not going. IE rear end sqauts under accelration. if you lengthens the wheel base under acceleration the weight is transfered back up to the front once the load is put on the traction bars, they are not allowed to be in contact with the track at the start of the race but you want them as close as possible. we're talking like .01" so that as soon as there is any acceleration the load gets transfered to the traction bars effectivly lengthening the wheel base and causing the pivot point to be as far back as possible which would hold more weight on the front wheels. (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 43

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 3:26:12 PM    falkore24 Posts: 5545 Joined: 8/16/2007 From: Wayne, NJ Status: offline what you've described requires a significant preload like I mentioned .... what I'm saying is that by adjusting the height of the suspension, the track car can be preloaded via weight distribution .... like a 70-30 split.  Also, launch setups have very stiff springs. _____________________________ 2006 Scion TC (ZPI-18G pending) 2000 V6-AT (RIP 3G) Temp Search thanks to Finch13 (in reply to bettner12) Post #: 44

RE: Accord can be fast? - 12/4/2007 3:35:53 PM    sir_nasty Posts: 6303 Joined: 2/23/2006 Status: offline Just because I want to stick my nose in here I'd assume that a wheelie bar (or whatever you want to call it) is more of a "band aide" for an improperly setup suspension, and a cheaper temporary solution _____________________________ 1981 Civic Station Wagon - ROhnda (Really Old Honda) 1981 Honda CB650 Motorcylce - WHEE What More can I say? 2000 Lexus RX 300 - Oooh baby my wife let me drive it once!! Quote: Life''s great but it''s not all beer and skittles (in reply to falkore24) Post #: 45

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