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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 2:01:39 PM
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falkore24
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What McSquizzy says, goes!!!!!!!
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 2:35:00 PM
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There would be angry squirrels in the pine trees....
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:09:10 PM
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JimBlake
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Once the squirrels have been in space for awhile, they won't be angry any more.
Vegetation should remove CO2 from the atmosphere. In fact, increased CO2 causes increased photosynthesis to provide a stabilizing influence. If you burn those trees you release the carbon back into the atmosphere. So bury them instead of burning them, & trap the carbon (sequestration). Trouble is, the amount of vegetation on this planet isn't growing as fast as the amount of pavement is.
Unfortunately there's lots of other influences also, & not all of them are stabilizing.
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:21:05 PM
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nafango2
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hence why trees in space would be the best answer!
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:25:38 PM
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I talk to squirrels, chi-koo, chi-koo...
I personally think along the lines of what jimblake just said... More vegitation and improved effeciency is the way to go... I'm switching all the lights in my house over to the CFL's (Compact Florescent Lights) simply because they are massivly cheaper to use...
Check out this spreadsheet comparison about them that I just found.... it's AMAZING....
http://www.productdose.com/article.php?article_id=1142
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:32:50 PM
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LOL .... pressure assist flush tanks on the toilets too. Custom air-cooled multi-stage chiller for the AC. Combined heat/hot water.
Here's a really good one!!!! ..... shut off the water when brushing your teeth and hair!!!! Also, you don't need hot water for brushing your teeth!
Clean the exhaust pipe on the clothes dryer. Insulate wherever feasible. Thermostats with night-time setback ..... I could go on, after all, I am heavily involved in green engineering. .... low-e glass, air curtains, circulator fans ..... put the condenser coil from the fridge outside (ok, that's a stretch, but will reduce summer cooling by about 0.5kW continouosly).
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:36:57 PM
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ckebottle
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Maybe you could write an official thread on how to save energy if you ever have free time?
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:39:20 PM
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If I did that, it would probably be part of Spaz's Wiki. Not a bad idea though.
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:47:16 PM
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quote:
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LOL .... pressure assist flush tanks on the toilets too. Custom air-cooled multi-stage chiller for the AC. Combined heat/hot water.
Here's a really good one!!!! ..... shut off the water when brushing your teeth and hair!!!! Also, you don't need hot water for brushing your teeth!
Clean the exhaust pipe on the clothes dryer. Insulate wherever feasible. Thermostats with night-time setback ..... I could go on, after all, I am heavily involved in green engineering. .... low-e glass, air curtains, circulator fans ..... put the condenser coil from the fridge outside (ok, that's a stretch, but will reduce summer cooling by about 0.5kW continouosly).
On the nightime setbacks, I've heard that varying more than two degrees for a period less than 8 hours is actually more expensive in the long run since it has to work harder to bring the house back up to temp vs. just leaving you thermostat at a static position, is this true?
Where's the breaking point between turning the temp down and back up for energy savings?
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 3:52:42 PM
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depends on dozens of things, what fuel you use, how effecient your furnace is, how big the area your heating is, how good your insulation is. The only real way would be to do your own little experiment, and graph it. Although im not really sure how you would measure energy consumption...
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 4:20:00 PM
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sir_nasty
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electric blown heat, 1000 sq foot home, insulated to at least energy start ratings (R35 walls and R48 ceiling I believe)
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 4:21:53 PM
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sir_nasty
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I just wonder if there is a general "rule of thumb" on this....
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 5:31:26 PM
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nafango2
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well im in no way an expert, but high-school physics has taught me that heat dissapation into the atmosphere occurs at an exponential rate (^-1 tho), wheras heat from a furnace would be encourred into your house at a linear rate. In other words, the bigger the difference between outside + you, the faster your house cools off/warms up to outside temperature. However, the furnace works on a more linear scale, as it can heat up your house x amount of degrees in an hour, regardless of the current temp of your house. (this is of course disregarding the already-existing atmospheric loss) however without exact, or even approximate figures on the data, I cant really say which method would be more efficient.
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/3/2007 8:14:16 PM
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JimBlake
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Heat loss is non-linear in dT because of buoyancy-driven stuff like air going up a chimney & in/out the cracks between windows etc. More non-linearity for radiant heat at night especially when the sky is clear. So what? Just do the experiment.
If you want to do an experiment, you'll want to record how often & how long the heat runs. It would be a little easier if you had gas heat & you simply didn't use any other gas appliances during the 'test'. Then read the meter. It's more difficult to get thru normal life without using any other electric devices.
If you don't want to do the experiment, one way to figure it out is to pretend the heat loss is linear in dT (Tin - Tout). Say the outside temperature is 20F & the inside is 70F. The dT is 50F. Shut OFF your heat all night long - completely shut it off. How cold does the house get? Say 50F? Average during the night is say 60F for a dT of 40F. So your house lost 40/50 or 80% of the heat that you would have used. You still have to heat it back up, but during the time it was cool, it was losing less heat.
If your house is so well insulated (and/or has large thermal mass) that it only drops to 65F overnight, then it's very little advantage. In that case it's probably still worth it to set it down to 50 (or whatever) when you're gone for a couple days or more.
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RE: Have you guys seen these? - 12/4/2007 5:41:59 AM
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mclarendude87
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hey i was wondering if putting a turbo on my C27 honda accord would really make that much of a differance
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