transmission oils?
 

Does anyone know of any synthetic transmission oils for an 01 Honda Accord EX auto. I heard of the Royal Purple Max ATF but I don't know if that is any good because they say it is Dexron 3 but in the owners manual of the Accord it says if you use any other Dexron 3 transmission fluid, you can only use it temporarilly.

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Max ATF is a synthetic, high performance, long life, multipurpose, automatic transmission fluid. It's more oxidation stable than other transmission fluids for a longer fluid life. Max ATF's low co-efficient of friction and high film strength help to dramatically reduce heat and wear. Automatic transmissions generate a great deal of heat and depend on the transmission fluid for cooling and protection. More than 90 percent of all automatic transmission failures are caused by overheating.* A drop of 20°F in fluid temperature can double the life of the transmission.* Max ATF significantly reduces heat to extend the life of your transmission and is recommended for all automatic transmissions requiring Ford Mercon® or GM Dexron® III transmission fluids. Max ATF is fully compatible and can be mixed with other automatic transmission fluids; however, for the best results drain or flush the current oil and then fill with Max ATF. Try Royal Purple® today and Feel the Difference!
http://royalpurple.com/prodsa/matfa.html

Or can only Honda ATF-Z1 be used?

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use only Honda ATF-Z1

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*nods* if you lack the ability to get that right away you can use a 5w 30 as a temporary run

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wooooooo ,, marbro my man it is an AUTO tranny ,, he definatelly does not want to use 5w 30 ...

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I wonder if it would even shift with engine oil in it? Don't believe I'd care to try.

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i think the 5w 30 your talking about is engine oil... so everyone says "no" on the Royal Purple Max ATF, so I guess im sticking with Honda's oil.

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In some cases engine oil can be used as lubricant in standard transmission cars.Marbro missed that fact that yours is an automatic. Correct, stick with the Honda auto transmission fluid.

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actualy 5w30 would run a automatic... back in the day autos ran regular engine oil... now some ATFs have friction modifyers for the clutches and bands... thus why u cant run it for long... the reason theres different oil in tranny is that when a tranny leaked regular oil noone could of diferentiated where it came from... they made it red so us techs can be like o thats tranny fluid...

if ur stuck out in the middle of nowhere and cant find any ATF-Z1 A low viscosity engine oil will get u home with minimal damage to a tranny...

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:D:D no offense but that's funny... so tell me what happens when the tranny fluid is really dirty and black like i have seen many many times ,, what do us tech say ..\

O its either tranny fluid or engine oil ?? I am not trying to give you a hard time or be a smart butt ,, believe you me ,, but i don't buy the reason that you stated of why they made it red ,,
I would not use motor oil in a Honda auto tranny under any circumstances if you cannot get honda ATF-Z1 then you can use DEXRON II or III .. either one is easily obtainable at any parts store ,, but DO NOT use motor oil

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i said in a fix... its sorta like a egg in ur radiator or a actual belt as a engine belt...

and yes ATF is red to help TECHS distinguish... its just a dye... if u want pictures of my WYOTECH book where it says the reason for the red coloring i would be more than happy to show u... it could just as easily be blue... and yes old tranny fluid is somethimes blackened... that cant be helped... sorta like green antifreeze can look brown after being used for a long time... and being such a color officianado what color is engine oil when u first pour it in... i promise its not jet black like when u remove it...

u can also smell the difference between ATF and regular oil... o my ATF smells rancid..

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either way, i said temporary, something in it is better then nothing at all, i only say this cause i had to run 400 miles on 5w 30,

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nothing at all wouldent go anywhere lol... something has to be there for clutch application some sort of non compressable fluid... if it REALY came down to it... for like life or death situation... and i dident have to make it more than 20 miles... water would be going into that bitch... has same hydrolic propertys as oil and is readily avaliable...

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yeah, only problem is it breaks own and evaporates ^_-

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Read whats in my sig. You don't have to use the Honda stuff. Yes, it is good, but there are other better alternatives. Any car manufacturer is going to say only use their stuff b/c thats more $ for them. If you want a link to where I got my stuff just let me know.

Beau

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ok, so now I'm a lil confused and a lil worried. about 4k miles ago, my tranny locked up. (not hondas fault, my own for not changing/ checking my own fluids. Hey, Im getting lazy these days.) So anyways, I had been taking my accord to Wally World for there $39 premium oil change. One thing they forgot to mention to me is the fact that when they say they check all fluids including tranny fluid, somehow that doesnt pertain to manual cars - eventhough they never told me or posted any written warning anywhere. So, with no signs of a leak, I ended up bone dry and eventually locked up.

Getting to the point. As me and my cousing were installing my new 5-speed, racing clutch and flywheel he did some research at work (Mechanic at a Pontiac Dealership) and said we just use motor oil. So, for 4 thousand hard driven miles I have been running on 5w30. I feel no problems with shifting; the big clutch grabs like a hungry monkey and all seems well.

So, should I change it out? One would expect a problem after this kind of mileage, no?

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You've got a MANUAL transmission. Motor oil is fine for a manual b/c all you've essentially got inside the case is gears. This whole conversation from post # 1 was asked about an AUTO transmission.

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Honda and others specify only their tranny fluid because of special friction modifiers.
Some say doesn't make any difference.
On the other hand, premature tranny overhauls are extremely expensive.

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5w30 might be a bit weak for a manual... normaly manuals run higher rating oils... go get some redline or royal purple MTF...

hey bat did u know the first auto in the world ran on 5W oil? it was black as engine oil... they colored it to make it easy to see... then started to add friction modifyers so that clutches and bands would apply sofer or harder... this is why some fluids are bad to used in comparison to otheres... ford type f had the strongest friction modifyers if u put that in a dodge tranny the tranny would shift hard as hell for a little while the fall apart... if u put the dodge ATF-4 in the ford the ford would slip and burn out the clutches and bands because of no friction material....

I just got done rebuilding a 4T60-E GM tranny in school... we had to know everything about trannys before we could be done... all the names all the parts all the peices... and how all of them work...

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for manual use what honda states or the approperiate replacement in a pinch. draina nd fill with honda fluid as soon as you can.

for auto cars you can substitute GM dextron II (or is it III now?) for Honda ATF in a pinch but trans should be drained and filled with Honda ATF as soon as it is possible to do so.

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Well, if ATF is just motor oil, then go change your engineoil and put some ATF in it and report back @ 5000 miles.:eek:

Guys, maybe in the "old" days is was motor oil, but auto's are demanded to do a lot more today than the latter. I just don't see motor oil going into a 7 or 8 speed Mercedes-Benz sequential automatic transmission. The properties between motor oil and ATF are so different. Go and look at a MSDS book and compare them. They are different.

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ur even more retarded then u seem then... the 7 and 8 speed mercs are manuals... they are paddle shifted E-Manauls just like in all the other high end cars with automatics... they are stronger and dont have power loss inside there torque converters... because they dont have them.... OOps...

Have u not heard a word we are saying... its not for perminate use... ATF nowdays have friction modifyers that are used to help the clutches apply... so on and so forth... we never said use it for 5000 miles do u think we are retarded... we said in a pinch... DUH

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I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and get nowhere. Go back and re-read the 1st page and you (besides Marbro) are the only one's that seem to feel confident about using it in a "pinch.":eek:

The topic of this thread was "Transmission Oils." Its not "What to use in a pinch to get you by." He wants to know what can he use long term. Who cares if you can use 5-30 in an auto for a brief moment, he wants to drain, refill (with ATF), and go about his business for another 30k or whenever he changes it again.

RETARTED.... hmmm, very educated word to talk with.

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I am glad that my practical use of 5w-30that caused no problems with the transmission for the limited time that it was in there is deemed BS. And what i said was additional information if he were ever in a situation that required that he get something in the transmission right away. At no point did I say "hey, run this for the life of your transmission." I am also very happy that no one noticed me agreeing with deserthonda on the use of honda's ATF-Z1.

This is ultimately turning into one of those pointless threads that get started because of information that someone gave. I dont really care which side of the convo is right or wrong at this point because either way its no excuse to start being a bunch of dbags.