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Old 10-06-2013, 12:39 PM
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Every time I go to start the 96 Accord I have to try to start 3 times. On the 3rd time it will start with the gas pressed slightly, but sometimes it will want to stall even again once I'm going. This cycle will happen again if I just shut the car off for a second.

I have the code P1381(cylinder Position censor intermittent) Is that code related? I know the sensor is inside the distributor, but I read many replaced it but it didn't fix the problem. Is there a way to test it?

I know the Ohms in the ignition coil Primary resistance should be 0.6-0.8, but it measured at 1.9 ohms, is that causing a problem?

The alternator, battery, and starter tested good when I took them to the parts store.
 
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:02 PM
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The code you are getting is for the cylinder position sensor, so you want to test the ohms on that sensor. Unplug the connector (4 or 5 pin depending if you have vtec or non-vtec engine). Measure the resistance between the yel and blk wire going to the distributor. It should be 0.8-1.5 kohms.

What is the resistance on your meter when you touch the two meter leads together?
 
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:30 PM
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I got a new meter today and rechecked the resistance. When I put the probes together it's about 0.5, and the measurement I'm getting at the primary ignition coil connector is 1.3, so it appears to be within normal range then I suppose.
 
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:14 PM
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the resistance between the black and yellow is 9.81 kOhms. it is non-vtech by the way.

Now those black and yellow wires are not on the distributor side. The distributor side does not have a black or yellow on the 4 pin connector
 

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Old 10-06-2013, 11:31 PM
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What trim level is your Accord (for example, LX, EX, etc.)?
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:07 AM
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It is LX
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:12 AM
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Now check the wiring going to the ECM.

On the ECM, look for the 31-P Blue connector (Connector C460). Terminal pin C4 on the ECM is CYP sensor input and C14 is CYP sensor ground. CYP sensor ground is a BLK wire going to C14, CYP sensor input is a Yellow wire going to C4.


With the distributor connected; at the ECM, disconnect the 31-P Blue connector and measure the resistance on the wire side (female terminals) of the 31-P connector between C14 (Black wire) and C4 (Yellow wire). The resistance there should be the same as the reading you got at the distributor.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:56 AM
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I remember that a bad ignition coil may sometimes cause the P1381 and symptoms somewhat similar to what you're experiencing.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:02 AM
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It looks like the resistance at the distributor plug is out-of-spec (0.35-0.7kohm) for F22B2 engine. If confirmed, the sensor is faulty. Suggest double checking as it's not hard to get a false reading.

I had this code (obd1 code 9) on 94 EX, and problem was finally traced to ECM, however my resistance was in spec, both at the distributor connector and at the ECM connector.

good luck
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:45 AM
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I think the resistance you want to measure IS on the distributor side. Regardless of that wire color, it's the pins (on the distributor side) that connect to the black & yellow wires. PA & Redbull, is that right? He should measure the distributor not the car's harness?
 


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