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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by knann
Ok I am back with a new question. I went to a shop this morning in order to start looking for prices on the parts I am going to need for my project. One guy there told me that if I put in a Nitrous kit it will give me 100hp more plus the hp i would get after putting in a new header, new exhaust system and new air intake. What are you all views on that?
By the way, I decided not to go with the turbo anymore (maybe for next project) because it's going to be way out of my budget....
Well just my opinion, but that shop is crazy...You will need to do some researching before deciding that you want to spray your car... You could spray any shot you would like(25to1000), but i wouldnt recomend it for you... Nitrous is not something you can just hook up on your honda and spray away. Like turboing your car, there are gonna be steps you need to take to make it safe, and to not tear your car up... Not to mention you have an auto tranny, and ask anyone here who has sprayed their 4cylinder autos what has happened to tha tranny...

Here is a joke i once heard at the local dyno, when a buddy was asking the owners opinion on nitrous...
"Nitrous is like a super hot chick with an std, you wanna hit it, but your afraid of the consequences"
 
Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by clutch811
well for reliability nitrous is not the thing you want, sure you can hit it only when you want to but you gotta have it set up right. for instance always gotta get premium fuel in case you wanna hit it one day... nitrous is tricky and can be very dangerous. rule of thumb, only ad enough nitrous to make half the horsepower you already have so 80 max. wouldnt even shoot that high imo. you need to have a nitrous system, not just a "Kit" which involves many parts and a good one will cost you near 1000 to make it safe.

IMHO, start with an intake, then an exhaust, then get a header and see what you think. heck, did you venture into the suspension area yet? a really nice suspension setup can make a car way more fun to drive and actually let it get more of its power to the ground.
I agree with clutch here... You will have to look into switcing to a colder plug, a timing retarder, an ingnition system w a 2 step box... There is much more this is just a couple things...But like he said, get an intake and exhaust and start from there... You should def be weary of spraying a stock honda accord with 163k and an auto tranny....
 
Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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I'm really glad you guys are here, cause frankly, I was not thinking about putting in nitrous, I was going to let that for later...for some other project just like the turbo but when the guy at the shop told me that, I was like really!!! I told him that my car is an auto and he said there is nothing to worry about because even the stock header in the car can handle it. Without being sure of anything I already thought that the information that guy was giving me was a bit shaky.
For the suspension, I was thinking about lowering the car maybe 1.5" or 2". I'm not sure how low that is but I would hate for it to rub against the tire when I'm cornering or driving on a bump. By the way, what exactly does a strut bar change in a car? does it make it drive better or does it make it a bit more stable "anti-swaying"?
 
Old Jun 30, 2010 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by knann
I'm really glad you guys are here, cause frankly, I was not thinking about putting in nitrous, I was going to let that for later...for some other project just like the turbo but when the guy at the shop told me that, I was like really!!! I told him that my car is an auto and he said there is nothing to worry about because even the stock header in the car can handle it. Without being sure of anything I already thought that the information that guy was giving me was a bit shaky.
For the suspension, I was thinking about lowering the car maybe 1.5" or 2". I'm not sure how low that is but I would hate for it to rub against the tire when I'm cornering or driving on a bump. By the way, what exactly does a strut bar change in a car? does it make it drive better or does it make it a bit more stable "anti-swaying"?
not to sound mean but the guy at the shop doesn't sound like he knows much about your car or what it can handle. they are probably just trying to make a sale. Many honda automatics are great but they arent built to handle lots of extra power. most automatic cars cant handle too much more power unless they are already built for it. even tranny coolers only go so far. you could always have the trans built but thats tons of money.

honestly its not necessarily all about how low you go. if you want performance you want a stiffer spring in general with a shock that is designed to handle the spring load. researching these combos is a good idea. ideally though 1.5 inches is plenty. im putting h&r coilovers on my car ill let you know how they feel. ive done my share of research and experienced many setups and designs so feel free to ask me or PM me
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as for strut bars. im assuming ones conecting the strut towers. these tie the towers together as to prevent them from bending away from each other in a heavy turn. essentially reinforcing the body and frame a bit. they dont do much though unless your on stock suspension. you wont notice much from what ive experienced. they can help though, good ones do. Ive noticed they help a little bit on heavy acceleration with powerful cars. also good for looks
 
Old Jun 30, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by knann
I'm really glad you guys are here, cause frankly, I was not thinking about putting in nitrous, I was going to let that for later...for some other project just like the turbo but when the guy at the shop told me that, I was like really!!! I told him that my car is an auto and he said there is nothing to worry about because even the stock header in the car can handle it. Without being sure of anything I already thought that the information that guy was giving me was a bit shaky.
For the suspension, I was thinking about lowering the car maybe 1.5" or 2". I'm not sure how low that is but I would hate for it to rub against the tire when I'm cornering or driving on a bump. By the way, what exactly does a strut bar change in a car? does it make it drive better or does it make it a bit more stable "anti-swaying"?
1.)These stock automatic transmissions are not built to handle the stress that nitrous, or even a turbocharger inflicts on them... You keep saying you are wanting to save the ideas for another "project", but where does that end...Any way you go at it, to get the power you want is going to require alooooooooooooot of work...The header has nothing to do with spraying nitrous, if he did say that, than he has no idea what he is talking about, or you misinterpreted him... Nitrous is injected into the intake or throttle body or directly into the ports...
2.)A 1.5 to 2 inch drop is not too drastic, but to do this correctly its gonna require at least 400 dollars, and thats if your going to install yourself... You will need new springs, shocks, and struts, and they should be mated for each other, and what drop you end up doing...You should not have any problems with rubbing or anything like that with just that drop... The springs will be much stiffer, and there will be very little body roll...
Sway Bar Purpose
The purpose of a sway bar is to reduce the amount of body roll that a car experiences during cornering. As the car rolls, the suspension on the inboard side is forced down towards the ground because it is connected with a solid piece of metal (the sway bar) to the side of the suspension towards the outside of the turn.
Benefits
A sway bar increases a vehicle's grip by forcing the inside tires to stay on the ground. Sway bars can also make a vehicle more nimble by reducing the excess body roll that occurs during cornering and can help balance out handling.


Strut Bar Purpose
The purpose of a strut brace is to reduce the amount of flex that the chassis experiences during cornering by bracing the tops of the struts and the strut towers against each other.
Benefits
A strut brace results in a more rigid chassis with less flexing and twisting, which translates to a more confidence-inspiring driving experience. A rigid chassis is more responsive, whereas excess movement and flexing can make a vehicle feel loose.
 

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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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I feel like I am learning a lot by coming here. I'm really thankful for that . I'm going to finish planning everything and do some more research then I'll get back to you guys. Of course, you can expect me to come with many more questions....Hopefully you won't get tired of me .

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I know from the beginning that my project is going to require a lot of work and that's why I'm not planning to take it too far and I'm shying away from thing like turbo and nitrous since they will need a lot more work. In addition, I was thinking about doing most of the work myself....let's just say those that I think I can do myself. Also, when I say next "project" I'm thinking more like "when I finally decided to build a race car with a bigger budget and a lot more free time"

By the way, I was thinking about buying a repair manual (haynes) for my Accord just so I could do some of the work myself and learn more about my car. I don't know if any of you guys use them. What I'd like to know...would it help when it comes to modifications or do I have to get some other repair manuals???
 

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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Dont buy a haynes repair manual, or any of that style manual... They are great, dont get me wrong, but for what your going to be doing, you should get a shop manual for your car... They are a little more expensive, but idk how many times a shop manual has saved my lifell...
 
Old Jun 30, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by corvetteking
Dont buy a haynes repair manual, or any of that style manual... They are great, dont get me wrong, but for what your going to be doing, you should get a shop manual for your car... They are a little more expensive, but idk how many times a shop manual has saved my lifell...
Where exactly can I get it? I dont really mind spending the money.
 
Old Jun 30, 2010 | 11:00 PM
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Helm publishes the absolutely best shop manual for Hondas.
www dot helminc dot com

And now for the shameless plug... I got just the right one for you for sale... (link in my signature)
 
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JimBlake
Helm publishes the absolutely best shop manual for Hondas.
www dot helminc dot com

And now for the shameless plug... I got just the right one for you for sale... (link in my signature)
Maybe I am wrong but isn't that the manual that the car comes with. Cause I think I have one that look just like that in my glove box...Like I said, I might be wrong.
Thanks a lot by the way. I might just get it from you
 

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