General Tech Help Good at troubleshooting? Have a non specific issue? Discuss general tech topics here.

2013 accord cranks buy will not start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 10, 2022 | 07:50 PM
  #1  
Danabryant1979's Avatar
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
Default 2013 accord cranks buy will not start

Hey all

Hopefully someone can help me. My 2013 accord starting idling rough in drive. Just getting worse and worse. So i cleaned the throttle body and took the negative battery terminal off. Put it all back together and now it will not start at all. It had a crankshaft error code so I replaced that but did not fix it. I checked spark and all coils and plugs are sparking. I also tried unhooking the maf sensor and that did not help. Before it cut off the car was rattling. Not sure if something was going bad or it was idling that bad. Not sure what else to try.
 

Last edited by Danabryant1979; Dec 10, 2022 at 07:52 PM.
Old Dec 10, 2022 | 08:23 PM
  #2  
PAhonda's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,331
From: Houston, TX
Default

What was the actual code you read off the PCM?
 
Old Dec 10, 2022 | 08:41 PM
  #3  
Danabryant1979's Avatar
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
Default

Originally Posted by PAhonda
What was the actual code you read off the PCM?
it was a P0339.
 
Old Dec 10, 2022 | 10:12 PM
  #4  
PAhonda's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,331
From: Houston, TX
Default

Is the P0339 returning after replacing the sensor?
 
Old Dec 10, 2022 | 10:45 PM
  #5  
Danabryant1979's Avatar
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
Default

Originally Posted by PAhonda
Is the P0339 returning after replacing the sensor?
yes It still shows up. Should I ohm test factory one? I bought a duralast brand from autozone to replace it
 
Old Dec 11, 2022 | 10:13 AM
  #6  
PAhonda's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,331
From: Houston, TX
Default

A P0339 code can be set by a bad sensor, wiring/connector issues, or PCM.

An ohm test is a quick first test, but it is not definitive. Ohm tests are only valid if the resistance is outside of the specifications. A reading in range does not mean the sensor wiring is working properly under electrical load.

Testing in the shop manual has a bunch of tests on the Honda scanner that most DIYers do not have. The sensor has 3 wires. Unplug the connector and inspect the connector for corrosion/loose connections. With your volt meter and the key in the II position with the engine not running, one wire should have 12V, one will be the signal wire, and the 3rd wire will be ground (probably black wire). See if you have 12V on one of the wires to a good ground (touch the black meter lead to the - battery terminal). The black wire should have almost zero resistance to ground. The third wire is the signal wire to the PCM.

The other item in the manual that can cause a strange signal is the ckp pulse plate behind the timing chain cover. It is possible this is damaged and generating a poor signal on a good sensor.

I don't trust aftermarket sensors as they can be bad out of the box. I use new OEM parts if they aren't prohibitively expensive. I'll get used OEM sensors at a u-pull-it yard or on ebay vs new aftermarket.
 
Old Dec 11, 2022 | 02:35 PM
  #7  
Danabryant1979's Avatar
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
Default

Originally Posted by PAhonda
A P0339 code can be set by a bad sensor, wiring/connector issues, or PCM.

An ohm test is a quick first test, but it is not definitive. Ohm tests are only valid if the resistance is outside of the specifications. A reading in range does not mean the sensor wiring is working properly under electrical load.

Testing in the shop manual has a bunch of tests on the Honda scanner that most DIYers do not have. The sensor has 3 wires. Unplug the connector and inspect the connector for corrosion/loose connections. With your volt meter and the key in the II position with the engine not running, one wire should have 12V, one will be the signal wire, and the 3rd wire will be ground (probably black wire). See if you have 12V on one of the wires to a good ground (touch the black meter lead to the - battery terminal). The black wire should have almost zero resistance to ground. The third wire is the signal wire to the PCM.

The other item in the manual that can cause a strange signal is the ckp pulse plate behind the timing chain cover. It is possible this is damaged and generating a poor signal on a good sensor.

I don't trust aftermarket sensors as they can be bad out of the box. I use new OEM parts if they aren't prohibitively expensive. I'll get used OEM sensors at a u-pull-it yard or on ebay vs new aftermarket.
Thank you for all the help so far. So i got it to crank finally. I cleaned the MAF and MAP sensor. Map sensor had good bit of black soot in it and i put new plugs in it. But now its in limp mode and wont rev above 3k rpm. Strangest thing though is that every sensor i have unplugged and plugged back in is now throwing a code. So the MAP, MAF, tps, crank. I tried clearing the codes but they come right back. Should i put my old crank sensor back in?
 
Old Dec 11, 2022 | 03:11 PM
  #8  
PAhonda's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,331
From: Houston, TX
Default

Try the old crank sensor to see if it helps.
 
Old Dec 11, 2022 | 03:44 PM
  #9  
Danabryant1979's Avatar
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
Default

Originally Posted by PAhonda
Try the old crank sensor to see if it helps.
Tried the old sensor and it still gives the same codes, for MAP, MAF, Crank and TPS , still in limp mode not revving above 3k. All the ones i unplugged. I just don't understand it lol
 
Old Dec 11, 2022 | 06:01 PM
  #10  
PAhonda's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,331
From: Houston, TX
Default

Those sensors aren't on the same circuits, so I can't think of a common cause.

Maybe run through the fuses with a test light to see if you blew a PCM fuse?
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:19 PM.