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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 01:57 PM
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Here is the summary. He got the timing and balance shaft lined up. Then removed the crank bolt. When he turned the engine to get it back to TDC, I think the key was not all the way in and the balance shaft belt did not move. So the timing belt is at TDC, but the balance shafts are not.

That rear balance shaft has a mark on the sprocket (green arrow). That tooth should line up with the end of the where the timing belt cover sits (orange arrow).

That oil pump gear can be removed. It could have been reinstalled with the mark way off. There is a bolt behind the engine that you can remove and insert a 1/4 inch drill bit (yellow arrow, they used a socket extension). Mark that bit (or extension) at 2.9 inches from the end. When that rear gear is turned to TDC, that bit will insert to 2.9 inches. At any other point, you can't push it in near as far. You can turn that gear to different positions and try to push in that bit to convince yourself that you have it to TDC. Turn these gears with the balance shaft belt removed.

The front gear is easy to align. There is a mark on the shaft that aligns to a mark on the engine at 12 o'clock. Some of your earlier pics showed this. I think there is a mark on the sprocket as well.

 
Old Jan 29, 2012 | 07:14 AM
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PA, did he PM you as well?
 
Old Jan 29, 2012 | 10:35 AM
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Ok quick question:
Did Eric meant not to install the timing belt tensioner bolt, the one that it spring hook to the left (Not the one its spring hook to the water pump, not the one he made it with rubber).

I noticed he did not. please advice
 
Old Jan 29, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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That bolt is either not used or must be removed after timing belt installation. It only holds the tensioner in slack position to allow timing belt installation.

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Old Jan 29, 2012 | 11:50 PM
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Hi ,I just got done doing a timing belt on my 1992 accord. The REAR balancer shaft is a little tricky especially if the temporaray bolt that holds the rear shaft in place is removed at any time during the process.(or isnt inserted after TDC is found and set)
I came across a little piece of information that greatly aided me in understanding the rear balance shaft operation.
The gear on the face of the oil pump gear assembly (the right side balance shaft)will only allow the bolt that holds it in place on the back of the engine to fall into place every third revolution(so the dot on the gear lines up in the 5 o'clock position) (as seen in many pics of rear balance shaft),meaning that the balance shaft will rotate four times.
I know this sounds confusing, allow me to explain it in a different way. When doing the belt change I replaced the oil pump gear assembly gasket. the outside gear has 32 teeth. On the inside of the oil pump gear assembly there are 24 teeth on the balancer shaft gear meaning the ratio /turn ratio is different.
Essentially it boils down to this ,for every 3 rotations of the outside gear (32 teeth ) the inside gear (balance shaft) will only line
once in the correct position 1 time (dot on outside gear in 5 oclock position)
32 x 3 = 96 3 turns......... 24 x4 =96 4 turns... 96 being the common demoninator for 32 and 24. So balance shaft revolves 4 times ,the OUTSIDE sprocket revolves 3 times.
So essentially for every complete revolution of the outside sprocket (32 teeth)the balance shaft rotates 1 1/3 revolutions. OR....for every complete revolution of the balance shaft the OUTSIDE sprocket will turn 3/4 of a revolution. ( I know it sounds confusing but it really isnt)

All you really need to remember is the bolt that holds the rear balance shaft in position will fit in in 4 different positions of the outside gear, but only one is correct ( every third revolution at the 5 o'clock position) (dot actually)
I know this was a confusing explanation , I will think about it and try to reword. For all practical purposes its a 3:1 ratio.
Try lining up the dot on (outside 32 tooth gear) at 5 oclock and inserting the lock pin .if it doesnt go in rotate the gear one turn counterclockwise and try to insert the lock pin again .if it doesnt go the second time rotate the gear a third turn and align at 5 oclock and try to insert the lockbolt (it should go in )
EDIT:Alright in the video you posted im assuming you havent taken anything apart yet.
It is possible i think for someone else to have misaligned the rear balance shaft mark on the outside gear on a previous timing belt service. As long as the balance shaft was in the correct position it could be assembled and work just fine.
(meaning the lockbolt would slide into place correctly in one of the 4 positions).

I know i did a lousy job of explaining this if someone follows my explanation and can reword it in less confusing terms that would be awesome. Ive seen many threads around the internet and a a common source of confusion seems to be the rear balancer shaft alignment procedure, once I understood the gear ratio thingy it all made sense in an instant.
 

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Old Jan 30, 2012 | 01:08 AM
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Talking Thank you all

I would like to take the time and THANK all those who helped me and answered my question!

Finally am done with the Timing Belt project and so far so good

again thank you all for explain, being patient and answering my "stupid" questions

will see you next project

EDIT: a special thanks goes to PAhonda for helping me in the background. you are me hero man!!!
 

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Old Jan 30, 2012 | 01:22 AM
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^ Good im glad you got it done. Im curious as to if you figured out the rear balace shaft alignment? I know it confounded me for a bit since i stupidly removed the rear balance shaft lock pin /bolt prematurely and somehow spun the gear assembly.
 
Old Jan 30, 2012 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Zax
^ Good im glad you got it done. Im curious as to if you figured out the rear balace shaft alignment? I know it confounded me for a bit since i stupidly removed the rear balance shaft lock pin /bolt prematurely and somehow spun the gear assembly.
yeah i figure it out. actually i didn't use the lock pin, just did it free hand, the balance sprocket dot need to be in 5 o'clock position. in a sense its like a gyro it will set in the position it need to be in

btw: i forgot to put the lock pin bolt in place before i started the car , and that scared me when i saw the oil leaking heheheheh
 
Old Jan 30, 2012 | 05:19 PM
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Cool, you got it
 
Old Jan 30, 2012 | 11:34 PM
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I'm glad that you got everything figured out.
 



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