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Old 03-10-2016, 07:43 PM
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Okay, so here is the freeze data for my P0420 on two different occasions.
Fuel system 1: Closed
Fuel system 2: N/A
Calc load (%): 64.3
Coolant (*F): 183
Short term fuel trim (%): 2.3
Long term fuel trim (%): 2.3
MAP ("HG): 19.2
Engine speed (RPM): 2074
Vehicle speed (MPH): 53
IAT (*F): 120
Absolute TPS (%): 18.8

Fuel system 1: Closed
Fuel system 2: N/A
Calc load (%): 65.1
Coolant (*F): 190
Short term fuel trim (%): 2.3
Long term fuel trim (%): 2.3
MAP ("HG): 19.5
Engine speed (RPM): 2245
Vehicle speed (MPH): 58
IAT (*F): 126
Absolute TPS (%): 20.0
What do you guys think?
 
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:18 AM
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:29 PM
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Since you have a scanner, can you plot the IAT reading over time, or just monitor the IAT values?
 
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PAhonda
Since you have a scanner, can you plot the IAT reading over time, or just monitor the IAT values?
I was borrowing the scanner from O'Reilly, so I can't observe the changes in IAT values. I sure wish I could afford that scanner!
 
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:35 PM
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Any events that may have damaged the converter such as head gasket? Coolant can damage the converter (silicates). Also long period of rich mixture can damage the converter. These need to be corrected before converter replacement.

Tracking the aft O2 sensor voltage w/ a scanner or oscilloscope to confirm that voltage oscillates low to high at about same frequency as primary O2 sensor is only way to be sure converter is dead.

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Old 03-12-2016, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasHonda
Any events that may have damaged the converter such as head gasket? Coolant can damage the converter (silicates). Also long period of rich mixture can damage the converter. These need to be corrected before converter replacement.

Tracking the aft O2 sensor voltage w/ a scanner or oscilloscope to confirm that voltage oscillates low to high at about same frequency as primary O2 sensor is only way to be sure converter is dead.

good luck
I want to see if there isn't a fuel system condition already existing because although the head gasket has been damaged twice, the P0420 code existed before my wife even got the car. With the fuel trim levels being slightly high (2.3 compared to the specification of 1.0), I was wondering if there might be something wrong with the fuel pressure or something like that.

However, the rear O2 sensor voltage does oscillate pretty rapidly and over a large range of values. How would one know whether it's the converter or the sensor?
 
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:17 PM
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Update: something really weird happened today. The CEL went out by itself. What gives?
 
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Old 03-13-2016, 07:02 AM
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LTFT of 2.3% is good and not a reason for P0420.

Exhaust leaks can cause intermittent P0420. Fuel mixture monitor details are not published but most take several drive cycles to set. The monitor is looking for voltage reversals (0.2-0.8v) on the post cat O2 sensor. When some level occurs on several consecutive drive cycles the code is set.

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Old 03-13-2016, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasHonda
LTFT of 2.3% is good and not a reason for P0420.

Exhaust leaks can cause intermittent P0420. Fuel mixture monitor details are not published but most take several drive cycles to set. The monitor is looking for voltage reversals (0.2-0.8v) on the post cat O2 sensor. When some level occurs on several consecutive drive cycles the code is set.

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So could it just be that the rear O2 sensor is poisoned from repeated exposure to antifreeze and/or engine oil? I just hope I don't have to dump a huge chunk of money on a converter.
 
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Old 03-13-2016, 10:28 AM
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Not possible to say w/o monitoring the rear O2 sensor voltage signal. A dead O2 sensor would likely set a code for unexpected performance.

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