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hipramodbhu 01-06-2015 09:08 AM

Honda Accord 04 monitors not incomplete
 
I got fed up with drive cycle. My Oxygen Monitor, Catalytic monitor and EGR monitors not getting complete after sevreal drive. I have chnaged O2 sesnor Bank 1 sensor#2 and Cam sensor Bank 1 but still getting code P0341 after erasing. My question is that does code P0341 stop to not complete Oxygen monitor, catalyst Monitor and EGR monitor? These three monitors are always showing incomplete.

The copde P0341 is showing as CAM Position Sensor A ckt RNG/Perform BNK1. Is there any serious issue that this code is not going? Or Just I need to drive 300 or 400 miles to get my O2, Catalytic, and EGR get ready? Please help me.

redbull-1 01-06-2015 10:10 AM

Each system or sensor monitor has specific criteria to set readiness codes. The detected/existing DTC P0341 may be the reason the readiness codes are not set to complete.

Wishful thinking if you thought changing the O2 sensor and cam sensor would resolve DTC P0341.

P0341 is directly related to cam phase (camshaft phase plates are not in sync with each other). The code will appear if the chain is stretched or timing is off.

hipramodbhu 01-07-2015 08:22 AM

Honda P0341 code not going off after changing sesnor
 
Please suggest me what to do if chain is stretched or timing is off?

redbull-1 01-07-2015 11:38 AM

You probably have to bring into a shop. A damaged or stretched cam chain by measuring the clearance between the cam chain and the cam chain autotensioner arm with a cam chain inspection gauge. If that clearance is more than 4.3 mm, you’ve got a bad chain and will need to replace it along with the cam chain auto-tensioner. Hopefully, there isn't other damage yet.

If there is a P0341, the issue should be taken care of sooner than later, as it will not get better with time. Instead, you may end up with an engine that needs replacement due to bent valve, etc.

Infrequent oil changes and/or low oil levels can cause the issue.

Turtlehead 01-07-2015 11:39 AM

If chain stretched then replace before it breaks, if timing off then timing needs to be reprogrammed. It sounds to me like you need to get the car to a Honda specialist before you go throwing much more money at it and find out what the deal is. It could be something simple or complex, but you wont know until a Honda specialist looks at it.

hipramodbhu 01-07-2015 04:54 PM

Acutally, one year back when check engine light came then one of Mufler shop guy replaced O2 sensor and Cam sensor and he gave old one as he menitioned that. But when I came to NY and Inspection was not passed becau check ehine light on. After diagonestic, I came to know that Guy did replaced any sensor just he put black tape to cover check engine light on. I was keep driving in check engine light on and my car is running in good condition without any problem. I have chaged O2 sesnor Bank 1 sensor#2 and Cam sensor Bank 1 but still getting code P0341as soon as I start engine. After driving 100 miles its still shoing P0341 code and Oxygen monitor, catalyst Monitor and EGR monitor are incomplete. The copde P0341 is showing as CAM Position Sensor A ckt RNG/Perform BNK1. Please advice me how can make ready these three monitors.

hipramodbhu 01-07-2015 04:55 PM

P0341 and O2,catlytic, and EGR not ready.
 
Acutally, one year back when check engine light came then one of Mufler shop guy replaced O2 sensor and Cam sensor and he gave old one as he menitioned that. But when I came to NY and Inspection was not passed becau check ehine light on. After diagonestic, I came to know that Guy did replaced any sensor just he put black tape to cover check engine light on. I was keep driving in check engine light on and my car is running in good condition without any problem. I have chaged O2 sesnor Bank 1 sensor#2 and Cam sensor Bank 1 but still getting code P0341as soon as I start engine. After driving 100 miles its still shoing P0341 code and Oxygen monitor, catalyst Monitor and EGR monitor are incomplete. The copde P0341 is showing as CAM Position Sensor A ckt RNG/Perform BNK1. Please advice me how can make ready these three monitors.

redbull-1 01-07-2015 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by redbull-1 (Post 354817)
Each system or sensor monitor has specific criteria to set readiness codes. The detected/existing DTC P0341 may be the reason the readiness codes are not set to complete.


P0341 is directly related to cam phase (camshaft phase plates are not in sync with each other). The code will appear if the chain is stretched or timing is off.


Originally Posted by redbull-1 (Post 354856)
You probably have to bring into a shop. A damaged or stretched cam chain by measuring the clearance between the cam chain and the cam chain autotensioner arm with a cam chain inspection gauge. If that clearance is more than 4.3 mm, you’ve got a bad chain and will need to replace it along with the cam chain auto-tensioner. Hopefully, there isn't other damage yet.

If there is a P0341, the issue should be taken care of sooner than later, as it will not get better with time. Instead, you may end up with an engine that needs replacement due to bent valve, etc.

Infrequent oil changes and/or low oil levels can cause the issue.

You probably have to resolve DTC P0341 first.

hipramodbhu 01-11-2015 12:32 AM

Hi, Thanks for answer. Is this P0341 code causing to not complete O2 Monitor, Catalytic Monitor and EGR monitor. These three monitors are not getting complete after driving of several cycle. Please comment on these. My car has to pass emission test.

hipramodbhu 01-11-2015 12:49 AM

Honda accord 04, 2.4 Engine, 4 cyle, Monitors issues
 
Is P0341 code causing to not complete O2 Monitor, Catalytic Monitor and EGR monitor. These three monitors are not getting complete after driving of several cycle. Please comment on these. My car has to pass emission test.

TexasHonda 01-11-2015 08:15 AM

P0341 is a serious problem indicating the PCM has detected incorrect phase relationship (timing) between camshafts and crankshaft. This can be caused by a loose timing chain. It can be a problem w/ the VTC actuator solenoid or may require a new chain and/or new chain tensioner.

It can be expensive to investigate and repair.

It is likely the reason that emission system checks will not complete, but I could not find any statements to that effect in shop manual.

A shop manual is suggested if you intend to DIY. check automanualsource.com for an emanual.

good luck

poorman212 01-11-2015 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by hipramodbhu (Post 354986)
My car has to pass emission test.

Resolve the P0341 code first, after that reset the PCM to clear that code. Then go through the drive cycles it takes to set the "readiness codes".

You are going to have to take care of the 0341 before doing anything else.

hipramodbhu 01-11-2015 11:06 AM

Thanks, I have another issue related to instrument cluster. I tried to open fixed light problem in dash board. By doing this, MY rpm needle is not coming at right indication while scan is showing correct while acceleration and rpm needle is also moving but its not showing correct at position.Is there any setting I need to do for needle?

hipramodbhu 01-13-2015 09:09 AM

Do I need change water pump during timing chain replacement? Is this going more additional more cost? If I do not change whether its going to break?

redbull-1 01-13-2015 03:09 PM

No, the water pump does not need to be changed during the timing chain replacement.

hipramodbhu 01-14-2015 08:20 AM

Thanks a lot. Do you have any idea how muct cost for replacement of timing chain? Is there any grauantee that will fixed P0341 code and O2, Cat and EGR monitors not ready?

hipramodbhu 01-14-2015 04:20 PM

Hi,
One guy explained that following
The 2.4L 4Cylinder in the Accord has a chain designed to last the life of the engine, and it is self adjusting.
Looks like its not timing issue problem then. It may be something else casing these errors.

redbull-1 01-14-2015 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hipramodbhu (Post 355136)
Hi,
One guy explained that following
The 2.4L 4Cylinder in the Accord has a chain designed to last the life of the engine, and it is self adjusting.
Looks like its not timing issue problem then. It may be something else casing these errors.

No. The timing chain is designed to last the life of the engine, under normal conditions. However, the P0341 is generally related to a damaged or stretched chain. Low oil levels or dirty oil is usually the cause. In addition, the auto-tensioner relies on oil pressure.

There are many Honda cases of P0341 due to a stretched chain. You can do a google search and see a lot of them. Even this forum and other Honda forums have many threads on it.

See an attached excerpt from a Honda Service News article regarding P0341.

hipramodbhu 01-18-2015 01:52 PM

P0341 code issue
 
I went Honda Dealer. They said that they will take 3 hrs to diagnostics and they will confirm whether its timing chain issue. If that timing chain issue then they will take 6 hrs repair. After that they will see if this problem is going or not. I am not sure if they do not say this is 100% problem. Its costing me $850. Please suggest em what to do next if this timing chain problem get fixed but still same problem.

hipramodbhu 01-26-2015 08:13 AM

I have taken to dealer. They said that its timing issue. Its cost me $1500 to fix this problem. They asked me to replace following parts.
1. ARM, CAM CHAIN Tesnioner
2. Chain (176L) (DAIDO)
3. GUIDE, CAM CHAIN
4. Tensioner ASSY, CAM CHAIN
5. Actuator ASSY VTC (46T)
My car is running without any problem and sound. Do I need to replace this parts mandatory?

TexasHonda 01-26-2015 09:29 AM

See attached post on repair.

https://www.hondaaccordforum.com/for...-accord-54081/

Yes, those parts should be replaced for a paid service job. From post, it might be possible to reduce that list in a DIY by inspection of parts.

Another suggestion would be to get a 2nd quote for the job from an independent job. Don't let the diagnosis fee deter you.

good luck


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