I have some questions regarding the P0219 Engine Overspeed Code, and the Freeze Frame Data that is captured.

I was driving a friend's 2004 V6, 6 spd Accord and upshifting at the redline thru the first three gears. The engine now has problems and the Regional Service Manager will not allow the warranty to cover any of the damage because the P0219 Engine Overspeed Code was issued. He claims that based on that code and the Freeze frame data, he believes the car was downshifted from 4th or 5th to 2nd. I contend I was upshifting after getting on a busy road. Will the P0219 code be issued in an upshift situation, and what is the delay in time between when the code is issued and when the freeze data is captured? He told me there is a 1.5 second delay, which just seems very odd to me...seems like the sample rate would be much faster than that.

The freeze data states the engine was at 4800 rpm, 88 mph, and TPS was reading 3.9 V. I haven't found the gear ratios of the vehicle yet (2004 Accord V6 w/ 6spd, 26k miles), but I believe this was 3rd gear, which sort of substantiates my claim that the P0219 code was issued when I hit the rev limiter in 2nd....and that I didn't downshift. Shortly after I reached this speed I let off of the gas. The vehicle also output several cylinder misfire codes.

Any specifics about how the freeze frame data works and how warranty departments interpret that data would be greatly appreciated. While I contend I was driving fast and aggressively, I don't believe I was operating the vehicle under conditions that should have broken the engine severely. The dealership believes that valves are bent, or worse. Does anybody have any advice for my situation? I am being told by the dealership service manager that the Honda America district service manager will not allow the vehicle to be warrantied, but nobody will let me have his contact information so I can have an honest, technical conversation with him.

Thanks!

 

yea sounds like you really messed up the motor. when you rev the motor significantly past its predestined redline. you get whats called valve float.

this is when the speed of the valves overcomes the pressure of the valve spring that attempts to keep them closed. at this point, the valves bang into the cylinder and can easily be bent. im not sure of the datalogging software or the speed that it reads the information at. but the computer does know if the motor has been overrevved.

and if it has the warranty wont cover any problems because the damage was from operator error. and the insurance on the car should cover those kind of mess ups. you friend will probably be pretty pissed about his increased insurance premiums, but after you pay the deductible, his insurance company should pay for the rest of the bill.

just have it towed to a different shop, and tell them that the car was accidentally run through a large puddle by the registered owner of the car. it should then be covered under roadhazard warranty. if they find out about the overrevving thing, i dont know though. its a tough lesson to learn. i bet the next time you hop into a car that beefy, youll straighten up and fly right.

when i was fifteen and a half i had a chipped h22a powered 94 triple black 5 speed prelude. straight outta gran tourismo 2. one night i was entering the freeway and decided to dump it. i was just leaving second at redline and just didnt get it all the way into third for whatever reason but i let the clutch out and dumped the gas again anyway. the engine must have revved up to 10 or 11 thousand rpm. absolutely trashed the motor and the car was taken away and sold because of that. i would still have that car right now if i didnt do that. and you can damn well bet i have never missed a shift ever since then and i never will. didnt matter if i was dumping a 360 modena at a dollar fifty down goldwater when i was valeting or if im just ripping my old wagon down the 101.

 

be a man and pay for the repairs.


People like you who abuse cars are the reason I DO NOT LET ANYONE DRIVE MY CAR.

"upshifting at the redline thru the first three gears"

"when I hit the rev limiter in 2nd"

If I was your friend, I would demand you pay for the damages to the car. Where was your head at?

 

You're pretty low there bud.... having the owner cheat his insurance company due to OP being D.W.S. (driving while stupid)

Do you have any morals? Guess not........

"just have it towed to a different shop, and tell them that the car was accidentally run through a large puddle by the registered owner of the car. it should then be covered under roadhazard warranty."

The car owner should not do this. The OP should pay for ALL REPAIRS and on that engine, it will not be cheap.

You are a Moderator on this site and should not be promoting such bad/dishonest behavior as it is a reflection on this site...just something to think about

 

This sounds like BS to me. The Rev Limiter/Fuel Cutoff PREVENTS over revving the engine so how could it cause a problem? It won't even let the engine overspeed in the event of a high rpm missed shift. I'll bet I've hit the rev limiter 20 times since I bought my car, so what? It still runs perfectly, no valve tick, silent idle, no problems whatsoever, and you can't MAKE it use oil. (My previous Mazda 2.5l V-6 was modified and pulled 8000 RPM, I had trouble getting used to the 6500 RPM limit on the Honda 4 banger.)

As far as redline (not hitting the limiter) that's why I have a short ram, stainless header, electronics work, shift kit, and use synthetic fluids. I'm not saying everytime but if I feel a bit spirited I'm gonna run it! That's what performance mods are for!

If someone can explain this to me I would appreciate it........Desert you out there?

Regardless, I do agree that the right thing to do is to cough up the $$ and fix the car.
Also, I'm sure this guy feels bad enough......crapping on him serves no purpose and helps no one.

 

Take the PCM out of the car and let it sit around for a bit. I'm pretty sure that PCMs only have volatile memory (like ram) and once you cut the power and all the caps have lost thier power, all the memory will be erased. The freeze frame data, code, all that stuff will be gone. Take it to a different dealership and make up some story. Yea, its a crooked thing to do but your in a pickle. Don't do stupid stuff next time.

 

Except that now any dealer probably will see that note about over-revving when they bring up his VIN in their computer.

The rev-limiter will prevent over-revving during an upshift, but not during a mistaken downshift.

 

He most likely didn't let off the gas all the way when he changed gears causing engine to rev past redline for a breif moment...anyhow still his fault and ECU got the data to throw the code so.....

 

The rev-limiter will prevent over-revving during an upshift, but not during a mistaken downshift.


I'm not challenging you but I am curious. Any hard data to back this statement up? I would think that Honda is smarter than that but I'd like to know positively.

 

Stuff like that is most likely stored in flash ram (non volitile memory