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Accord 2008/9 EX GT - Front Speakers Quit Working

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Old 10-13-2013, 07:29 AM
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Hi, would appreciate some help regarding my issue in the subject line.



Its a completely stock UK ( English ) Honda Accord 2008/9 EX GT with Navi. ( Diesel, Turbo) , stock entertainment are made by Pioneer ( not Alpine/Clarion .... I got to know this when I lost my keycode and went to Honda for a re-issue ).


The premium sound system worked well till lately, when the front speakers would quit working after about 4 minutes after switching on the car and start driving. Even If I don't drive, and just listen to the radio, at low volume, the front speakers will quit after the same time.
Lately, the 'quit time' shortened to around 1 minute or less.

Obviously, the faders/levels for the speakers are set at default values, ( otherwise, they wouldn't work for the first minute..of course !! )

As a result of this malfunction, now even the in-car generated info, phone bluetooth, fasten seatbelt warnings,etc.....have stopped working...or let me re-phrase....are not heard anymore as soon as the front speakers quit.
The reason, is that these messages are fed only to the front door speakers.

What still works ? > the centre speaker, the two rear door speakers, the rear shelf speakers, and the subwoofer.

I would like to understand if anyone has had this specif issue, and fixed it. ( how ?? )
All other posts I have researched seem to not deal with the circumstances I describe.

BTW.. All speakers do have continuity check, and work well without issues. I have checked each speaker independently, by connecting it to a spare stereo head unit.
So... no problems with speakers themselves.

Help Needed::::

If someone has the schematics of the amp and head unit, and also can point me to the location of the amp, I will attempt to fault find. I am a certified electronics engineer, and can handle deep SMD repairs at component level. However I would like to be prepared with info first.

Thanks for your kind help.

Kind Regards

GRG-Honda
 
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Old 10-13-2013, 04:28 PM
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bummer of an issue. finding schematics will be very difficult, i haven't seen any for OEM stereos or amplifiers.

if we think about what the front channels have going on, we know that there is a preamp-level mixer that combines all of the chimes, BT, audio, etc. before amplification. so the problem is either in that mixer or in the actual amplifier outputs. that means you are looking at the external amplifier itself and not the various components that connect to it.

the amplifier likely uses an STK pack or other IC-based amplifier chip. you will want to get into the amp to verify what exactly is going on. when i repair OEM amplifiers, it takes a while to verify what each pin is doing - usually with a DMM and/or scope and also visual tracing of wires in the car. usually, there are two harnesses - one is input/power and other is output.

i have a set of wires with female pins soldered and color coded and insulated that i can plug into the jacks while the amp is on my test bench. then i can open the amp up and power up and test.

since it happens after some time, we can rule out complete component failures and maybe investigate a poor solder joint associated with the mixer's power supply section or the mixer itself. likely as the circuit heats up, the expansion causes loss of signal (it only takes one cold solder joint to cause this type of problem). i use freeze spray to help look for solder joint issues.

naturally, you'll figure out what each component/IC is by looking up the datasheet then verifying the pins have proper signal/voltage.

good luck!
 
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:10 PM
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Thanks for your quick reply.

Yes...I could try the 'harness extension' method to work comfortably... else bring my scope down to the garage and have a look.

Any idea where to locate the amp in the Accord EX GT that I have ?( I linked a picture of this accord model in my first post ).


If anyone can locate the schematics of the OEM entertainment equipment I'd be greatly appreciative.

If I manage to fix this, I'll do a tutorial and post here.

Cheers !!

GRG
 
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:29 PM
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so I figured out that this model is named Acura in the US....

quick search on YT.. reveals this video....
If my car's amp is there, it should be easy peasy to fix... (hopefully!! )

The dashboard in this clip does not look the same as mine.... but Googling of images of Acura TSX is 'almost' the same model that I have.....so hopes are a bit higher...

GRG
 
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:16 AM
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So... I managed to locate the Amp ( its located at the back of the car, on the right, hidden under the carpeting ).

Dismantled the amp, opened it up, and started fault finding.
The amp is an 8channel job, based on TDA 7560 chips.


One was getting much hotter than the other, so I replaced it.
Problem remained !

Found out that the tracks on the front speakers are not direct , but passing from one layer to another of the PCB.
Found that quite dodgy....and in fact they were not providing correct continuity...
So I bridged them with wire.

Guess what.... the problem still persists.

So I must now check the Analog devices 4 chips that are in the signal path.
Probably these provide the gain and equalization to the amp.
But no datasheets were found for these chips.....must dig deeper.


















Until further progress is made.... I'll keep trying to sort this out

Thanks for any insight which you may provide !!



GRG
 
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:09 AM
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if some of the amplifiers are getting hotter, that could mean they are feeding a short.

so the problem would be downstream of the amps.

at this point, an oscilloscope is used to trace the signal through the preamp and amplifier.
 
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