General Tech Help Good at troubleshooting? Have a non specific issue? Discuss general tech topics here.

Harder to ignite with new spark plugs, tightening issue?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 12-09-2009, 09:44 PM
06ex24
Unregistered
Posts: n/a
Default Harder to ignite with new spark plugs, tightening issue?

I’ve just replaced the stock NKG plugs IZFR6K13 with IZFR6K11 on my 06 EX 2.4L with 50K miles and immediately I notice that I now need to turn the key all the way to the bottom and stay a bit there before car can start. I did not have this issue with the old plugs. However; with the new plugs, I am getting better idle, acceleration, and quieter drive.

During plug installation, I tightened the plugs around 3/8 turn (between 1/4 and 1/2) passing finger tight as most the plug instruction available from the web suggest 1/4 to 1/2 turn. The NKG instruction on the plug box however suggests 1/2 to 2/3 turn. Could my ignition problem due to not tightening the plug enough?

I did not replace or adjust anything else other than replacing the plugs.

Thank advance for your input
 
  #2  
Old 12-09-2009, 10:48 PM
kris_loehr's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chesterfield MI 48047
Posts: 1,043
Default

Did you gap the plugs which is the difference between the IZFR6K13 and IZFR6K11. I tighten spark plugs by feel and believe you did just fine in tightening but the difference in gap may be enough to change the characteristics of your vehicle a little.
 
  #3  
Old 12-09-2009, 11:04 PM
06ex24
Unregistered
Posts: n/a
Default

I did not re-gap the plugs and use pre-gap .044” came with IZFR6K11. I figure IZFR6K13 has a bigger pre-gap (.052”) which will require a bit more voltage to ignite therefore hard to start but I am getting the opposite. I am confused if the tightening seems fine.
 
  #4  
Old 12-10-2009, 12:09 AM
kris_loehr's Avatar
Been Around A Long Time Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chesterfield MI 48047
Posts: 1,043
Default

I would gap the plugs to specs for your Honda and see what happens. A bit more voltage may give you a hotter spark. You can torque the sparks plugs to put your mind at ease.
 
  #5  
Old 12-10-2009, 07:20 AM
JimBlake's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 18,398
Default

I use a torque wrench on sparkplugs, just because I own a torque wrench sitting right there in my toolbox.

If your coil is OK it should be able to make a good spark across either 1.1mm or 1.3mm gap. That being the case, the difference is the size of the spark (15% smaller) and the corresponding amount of energy in that spark.

Once the engine is running & it gets just a bit warmed up, the fuel is easier to ignite. That probably explains what's going on.
 
  #6  
Old 12-10-2009, 10:57 PM
06ex24
Unregistered
Posts: n/a
Default

Thanks guys for the reply. Re-tightening did not seem to help. The car drive better so I will just have to assume the ignition difference is due to smaller gap size of the plugs.
 
  #7  
Old 12-11-2009, 06:17 PM
EXV6NIGHTHAWK's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 710
Default

The owner's manual states to tighten the plug 2/3 of a turn, after the gasket contacts the head. 3/8 of a turn would be pretty light compared to that. Did you tighten them? 13 lb-ft?

What's the verdict? Which plugs are better, overall? What Jim Blake says sounds logical to me, with regards to the ignition.
 

Last edited by EXV6NIGHTHAWK; 12-11-2009 at 06:31 PM.
  #8  
Old 12-14-2009, 09:16 AM
JimBlake's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 18,398
Default

If I understand NGK's numbers, IZFR6K-13 & IZFR6K-11 are identical plugs, gapped to different gaps. But the -11 plugs (0.043" gap) are correct, according to NGK's website.

So if you can adjust the gap without breaking the tiny bit of iridium off the electrode, you can turn one plug into the other. But... it's easy to break that thing off.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sirtwist2
General Tech Help
14
09-24-2012 01:36 AM
kohlkohlkohl
Audio/Visual Electronics
6
03-27-2012 06:44 PM
mxl360
General Tech Help
12
04-30-2008 07:52 AM
Tuan
General Tech Help
7
08-08-2006 05:00 AM
wkugler
General Tech Help
2
06-29-2006 12:27 PM



Quick Reply: Harder to ignite with new spark plugs, tightening issue?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:14 AM.