Im with everyone saying to go for a swap. the f22b1 is a junk engine for performance. the head has way too much rotating mass, flows like poo, and the vtec is janky. However I think you'd be better off with an f20b. the swap isnt as straight forward as the h22 but the bottom end is built better and the head flows better too.

 

this thread is has of tons of incorrect information...

1. the f22 is a very good motor to run boost on
2. its already iron sleeved, so it can handle boost
3. f22b1 is a great engine.

i will agree that the b1 head isnt the greatest design but there are plenty of people making over 300whp with it.

a easier more efficent route would be to swap pthe f22a6 head with a h23 usdm intake manifold and throttle body.

go to bisimoto.com get their 9:1.1 CR forged piston and h-beam combo (759.00) something like that for the block

new oem honda main bearings and seals

with the right turbo, ems, and turbo manifold it is super easy to break 300whp on the f22 engine

it will cost you more for the overall turbo build than a h22 swap but it is cheaper to extract power from it than the h22.

you would have to buy sleeves for the h22 (600+) then forged pistons and rods(700+) 1300+ just getting the block ready plus the 1000+ you paid for the engine by itself, not including installation hardware(wire harness, ect)

dollar per hp the f22 wins

im going

f22b1 block
f22a6 head
h23 intake manifold/throttle body

bisimoto forged 9:1.1 pistons
bisimoto forged h-beam rods
bisimoto 1.2 turbo cam

turbonetics t3/t4 turbo
custom tubular turbo manifold
aem ems v2

**** is gonna get real.

dont get me wrong i would love to have a h22, i was all into h22 swap, until i did more research. for what i wanna do this will be cheaper and yield easier results

im going for 400-500whp when its all said and done.

if you just wanna go n/a swap that h22 in there. what i would do. you can make them scream.


this entire thread made me chuckle... its amazing how much people are misinformed and toss around garbage info.

 

this thread was be4 my time. I didn't read the whole thing after the 1st few post I gave up. Glad you came back to correct some info. I was just replying to twoj1's post.

 

The problem is the basis of the budget. You cant do much with 1300 dollars other than a swap or junkyard turbo on a stock motor and then you still need a tune and other things, such as brakes, everyone forgets you need more stopping power and control. the f22b1 is a great motor, i wont argue that but its stock ideals are just not oriented toward performance, sure you can squeeze 300 out but for how long on the stock motor and how much abuse can it take? trust me not that much at 300 hp. the bottom ends have a lot of potential, but it needs extracted.

Putting and f22ax head on with h23 Im would be a good start, but at that budget, will it really work?

 

I built my boosted f22a on a budget few years ago
h23 intakemani
rev hard turbo mani and wait for it wait for it...ebay turbo. At 160bucks each I would buy 2 at a time. If one blew swap for the other one. Went through 4 turbos in like 2 ½ years.


I beat the living crap out of this engine. rev limmiter pushed to 7k (don't know how I didnt spin a rod bearings) Every day that engine meet redline.

your tune is everything. IF you want it to last find a good tuner and spend the extra LITTLE BIT of money to have a good tuner to tune it perfect.

 

I am currently in the process of rebuilding an F22b1 block and will post pic's of my work in time. I am new at this however this is my plan....

F22 stock parts
Rod LENGTH 5.572
Comp Height 1.203
Stroke 3.740/2
all that = 8.645
Block Deck Height is 8.643

F22 H22 Rods 4g63 stroker pistons
Rod LENGTH 5.633 (h22 rod)
Comp Height 1.130 (Wiseco part# K596M85)
Stroke 3.740/2 (f22 crank)
All that = 8.633
I don't have the money as of yet but I will. For others that say you cant buy internals for the F22. that is bull!@#$. you just have to look harder. My guess is the low end will handle about 400+ HP

Note: the info above is not all my work and can not take credit for it.

 

^^^See Im just weird with that stuff. I would personally never run an ebay turbo, but Ive heard theyre good for low boost on a cheap setup. granted 4 at 160 a piece could add up to buy you a low end garrett lol, but damn man thats insane. Ive read and seen from math that our motors can safely run up to 7200 rpm, the problem is in the head for the b2 and b1 guys. the ax heads, pt3 casting can flow way better at that rpm. Like you said its all in the tune as well.

 

I went with the ebay turbos b/c few of my BMW friends swore by this cheap ebay turbo from this one dealer. I think mine blew b/c I was pushing 15-16lbs I think. We also took each turbo apart and made sure everything was fine. Most of the turbos are ok to run but they tend to not tighten bolts and stuff all the way when built so they come apart while working. I don't recommend for ppl to use ebay turbos but I did b/c we found a good set of them. For the price I spend like 600bux but you can't get a turbo with the specs I wanted for close to that price. And now I can’t get in contact with the dealer we bought turbos from be4 which sux but such is life.

Also running a stock f22 crank past 7k is asking for trouble if it's not balanced. Knife edging is a plus too. I mean look at all the h23 guys...most of them have a h23 block sitting in their garage with a spun rod bearing(s) the f22 crank stock is not made to rev out that high without some work done. It can be done just not for a long time.

 

Ive seen a lot of hits and misses with the ebay turbos, but sounds like you got a deal. It looks like the housings are built well, just the internals need gone over. hell buy the ebay turbo and have garrett rebuild it and boom cheap garrett turbo.

Yeah the crank will walk the bearings right off, but sometimes you just get lucky, putting in a windage tray helps and having the bearings set right helps too. Guess it depends on who put your motor together and what day of the week lol. The h23 crank is garbage. its cast and I dont understand that. Ours are forged, oh well. I dont wanna jack this thread but my own plans have changed a bit. Ill have to tell you about it.

 

lol you know the f22 and h23 share the same crank and rods. They are identical. So if one is cast then the other is also or vice versa...Iv never heard that the f22/h23 crank is cast...might have to look into that one.

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