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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 08:18 PM
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This is just a generic image that is sideways, the cable runs in between the track.

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Old Sep 1, 2014 | 11:18 AM
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Finally got around to installing a new motor/regulator assembly. When I plugged in the passenger switch the window went up/down like it should so I thought yippe, success! Then I started getting a lot of erratic behavior. The window worked when I first turned the key to on but then after hearing 2-3 clicks and clunks(relay?) in the passenger door it stopped working. When it was working the auto up/down did not work. A couple of times the window decided to go back up by itself! I tried doing all of the re-set procedures that are at the end of the Dorman instructions. Also disconnected both battery cables and touched them together to clear any memory but that only accomplished getting the radio to say CODE. Nothing I did fixed the problems.

What's next? I'm guessing the problem now is with one of the switches but which one? My wife reported hearing clicks in the door before the window stopped working completely. Could a faulty switch have burned out the motor? For now I have the passenger switch removed to hopefully prevent any damage to the new motor.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 11:39 AM
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Attached is the reset procedures. It won't help with the window not working at all though. I am a little busy right now to put much thinking into this at the moment.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2014 | 12:57 PM
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The passenger window switch has two relays built into it.

Try this, this is partially from my previous post #11.

1. Check that under-dash Fuse No. 26 (20A) is not blown. Power from Fuse 26 allows the passenger to operate the switch on the passenger side.

2. The following is to rule out the motor being damaged/bad. With the gray 10P connector at the passenger side window switch unplugged, apply direct 12 volt battery power (+) and ground (-) to cavity terminal no. 8 (Red wire) and cavity terminal no. 10 (Red/Blu wire).

Power (+) to the terminal no. 10 - Red/Blu wire and ground (-) to the terminal no. 8 - Red wire should make the regulator go up; switching power and ground to these respective wires should make the regulator go down. Only do these briefly, so as not to burn out the motor if it is good.

 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 01:09 PM
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The following is just info. if you want to understand how the front passenger window switch works:

The front passenger window switch has a separate open relay and close relay. They work together to operate the window motor. When you press open, the open relay is energized to provide power (+) through the Red/Blu wire to the motor and the close relay provides ground (-) through the resting relay contact through the Red wire to the motor. When you press close, the close relay is energized and provides power to the motor while the open relay provides ground through the resting relay contact to the motor, and the motor goes in the opposite direction.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by redbull-1
Attached is the reset procedures. It won't help with the window not working at all though. I am a little busy right now to put much thinking into this at the moment.

Thanks, this is the same info that is at the end of the Dorman regulator replacement instructions. I tried all of these procedures multiple times to no avail.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by redbull-1
The passenger window switch has two relays built into it.

Try this, this is partially from my previous post #11.

1. Check that under-dash Fuse No. 26 (20A) is not blown. Power from Fuse 26 allows the passenger to operate the switch on the passenger side.

2. The following is to rule out the motor being damaged/bad. With the gray 10P connector at the passenger side window switch unplugged, apply direct 12 volt battery power (+) and ground (-) to cavity terminal no. 8 (Red wire) and cavity terminal no. 10 (Red/Blu wire).

Power (+) to the terminal no. 10 - Red/Blu wire and ground (-) to the terminal no. 8 - Red wire should make the regulator go up; switching power and ground to these respective wires should make the regulator go down. Only do these briefly, so as not to burn out the motor if it is good.

The motor seems to work ok, it's just that the operation is very erratic.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by redbull-1
The following is just info. if you want to understand how the front passenger window switch works:

The front passenger window switch has a separate open relay and close relay. They work together to operate the window motor. When you press open, the open relay is energized to provide power (+) through the Red/Blu wire to the motor and the close relay provides ground (-) through the resting relay contact through the Red wire to the motor. When you press close, the close relay is energized and provides power to the motor while the open relay provides ground through the resting relay contact to the motor, and the motor goes in the opposite direction.
The relays on the passenger side are clicking by themselves when no buttons are being operated. There seems to be 2 clicks followed by a louder clunk then the window won't operate until you try the drivers side switch a few times, then it starts working again. I noticed this cycle several times.

In one of my earlier posts I mentioned seeing power at the motor wires after the switch was released. Not sure if this is related to the relay clicking or not.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffN9
The motor seems to work ok, it's just that the operation is very erratic.
Try cleaning the window glass run channel with some rubbing alcohol and then lubing it with a silicone based lubricant.

The car has anti-pinch windows. The power window motor incorporates a pulser which generates pulses during the motor's operation and sends pulses to the power window control unit. As soon as the power window control unit detects no pulses from the pulser, the power window control unit makes the power window motor stop and reverse. Although, it is mainly to prevent pinching your hands or fingers during the auto-up operation, it may be the cause of issues when it is going down too.
 
Old Sep 1, 2014 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by redbull-1
Try cleaning the window glass run channel with some rubbing alcohol and then lubing it with a silicone based lubricant.

The car has anti-pinch windows. The power window motor incorporates a pulser which generates pulses during the motor's operation and sends pulses to the power window control unit. As soon as the power window control unit detects no pulses from the pulser, the power window control unit makes the power window motor stop and reverse. Although, it is mainly to prevent pinching your hands or fingers during the auto-up operation, it may be the cause of issues when it is going down too.
About the only thing it hasn't done is stop and reverse. When it's working the operation seems fine except that the auto up/down from the drivers door only worked a couple of times. Would the pulser cause the clicking that I hear from the passenger side and the window closing by itself after being completely open ?

I planned on cleaning and lubing the channel. That's something I read about in other threads.
 

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