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Old May 1, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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and to be honest i don't really understand relays and switches. I'm gonna have to read up on that. if you have any good links that would be awesome but if not i'll do a little searching later on.
 
Old May 1, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Switches are pretty simple, they cause a break in the circuit. A relay isn't much more, but instead of your hand flipping the switch a control signal is used. I did a writeup a week or 2 ago pertaining to a LED project that finch is working on, but I don't remember the name of the thread or exactly what info was included there. I think I also posted links to other similar writeups. I also drew an AutoCAD schematic for him, so if you PM him, I'm sure that he can send you a PDF or jpg of the drawing. If you still need more info, you know where to find me!

Kevin: Turbos and nitrous typically aren't the best of friends! The turbine sees a ton of heat as is and with spray, you are increasing that tremendously! If you definately want spray, I would use a 20 shot to help the spool from 2200 to 3600 only .... without running calculations to see where the upper limit should be, but with turbo, such a small shot wouldn't really be worth much at high rpms. One device that I like for turbos is the interfreezer. It doesn't add a huge amount of charge piping like an intercooler, but is way more effective at cooling the charge. Only problem is that now you are carrying around a can of CO2. I also like the tailpipe attachment to help spool and also the fire extinguisher attachment setup. Some toys to look at!

EDIT: I don't know what tranny cooler fits your car. I had a 6th gen V6 and the one for that car is Hayden 403. It all depends on what fits. Find a good spot to mount it and measure how much space can be used ..... remember to allow for fittings and mounts. The bigger, the better. I don't see a problem with an ebay cheepie, but I'd use Hayden since they are a reputable company and also the part is pretty cheap .... like 40 bucks.
 
Old May 1, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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Switches are pretty simple, they cause a break in the circuit. A relay isn't much more, but instead of your hand flipping the switch a control signal is used. I did a writeup a week or 2 ago pertaining to a LED project that finch is working on, but I don't remember the name of the thread or exactly what info was included there. I think I also posted links to other similar writeups. I also drew an AutoCAD schematic for him, so if you PM him, I'm sure that he can send you a PDF or jpg of the drawing. If you still need more info, you know where to find me!
Yeah, I can't find that thread either. I do have the PDF and AutoCAD drawing if anybody wants it. Just PM me and I'll send it your way as quick as a bunny!

Kevin: Turbos and nitrous typically aren't the best of friends! The turbine sees a ton of heat as is and with spray, you are increasing that tremendously! If you definately want spray, I would use a 20 shot to help the spool from 2200 to 3600 only .... without running calculations to see where the upper limit should be, but with turbo, such a small shot wouldn't really be worth much at high rpms. One device that I like for turbos is the interfreezer. It doesn't add a huge amount of charge piping like an intercooler, but is way more effective at cooling the charge. Only problem is that now you are carrying around a can of CO2. I also like the tailpipe attachment to help spool and also the fire extinguisher attachment setup. Some toys to look at!
Wouldn't nitrous oxide cool the turbine rather than heat it? Last time I check N2O had a boiling point of -88.5ºC, seems like it would go from liquid to gas pretty quick while taking a ton of heat with it! Can you explain the tailpipe and fire extinguisher thing?
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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how can i tell what hayden tranny cooler to use. Each one i've come across just says universal...
where do most people mount the tranny cooler?
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 07:28 AM
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Can i use whichever cooler i have space for?
Falkore where'd you mount yours?
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 07:30 AM
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and when you say i need a nos pressure gauge are you talking about this:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Autom...spagenameZWDVW
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 09:31 AM
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Thanks falkore! and the oil cooler that fits our car is the same one that u have...

Edit: sorry, just noticed your sig lian... yours is a 93... ill check
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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Wouldn't nitrous oxide cool the turbine rather than heat it? Last time I check N2O had a boiling point of -88.5ºC, seems like it would go from liquid to gas pretty quick while taking a ton of heat with it! Can you explain the tailpipe and fire extinguisher thing?
You are thinking of the compressor which is in the intake path. Typically, the N2O would be injected downstream of the compressor. Upstream is usually just a filter or a small pipe to get cooler air. Dry nitrous should be injected 12-18 inches upstream of the TB to get good mixing, but also so that when you let go of the gas, there isn't too much residual N2O in the intake line to cause leaning. Dry can be injected as far upstream as the filter like the ZEX filter system, but the amount of charge in the pipework can cause the problems mentioned. Wet nitrous should be kept as close to the valves as makes sense .... still downstream of the compressor.

The next point is that the boiling point changes with pressure. I think you are looking at STP conditions, where the can is under tremendous pressure.

The turbine of the turbo sees the heat caused by the burnt N2O ..... and maybe also some that is still burning!

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Interfreezer

The fire suppression link is down, but it is basically a soleniod that lets the CO2 into some hoses that are mounted under the hood with pressure control nozzles to CO2 fog under the hood to kill an engine fire since you already have this system piped all over the vehicle.



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how can i tell what hayden tranny cooler to use. Each one i've come across just says universal...
where do most people mount the tranny cooler?
They are universal. The car already has a tranny cooler and this one is to supplement that. You want the biggest one that you can fit in cleanly. A bigger coil = more heat transfer. It needs to be mounted by the radiator so that it gets a lot of airflow when the car is moving. Better airflow = more heat removal.

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Can i use whichever cooler i have space for?
Falkore where'd you mount yours?
I never had one .... I didn't have N2O on my Accord.


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and when you say i need a nos pressure gauge are you talking about this: Link
That is a guage to mount in the cabin. I meant a simple one that could mount on the can or under the hood. It's purpose is to set up the heater controls to limit the pressure at the right point. I never trust pre-engineered setpoints on controls. IMO a manual needle in glass guage is more reliable. What you posted is a good idea though, so you know if you have more spray or not.


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Thanks falkore! and the oil cooler that fits our car is the same one that u have...

Edit: sorry, just noticed your sig lian... yours is a 93... ill check
Kevin .... I think that you weren't around so much when this happened, but I haven't had an Accord for 4 months already. The tC is my current project.
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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does anyone know of a write up done on how to install a single fogger kit? or have a link? thx
 
Old May 2, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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does anyone know of a write up done on how to install a single fogger kit? or have a link? thx
 



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