I just don't understand
#11
01-26-2012, 03:30 PM
https://www.hondaaccordforum.com/for...elation-44211/
were allowed?
What I'm trying to ascertain here is: what links are allowed, if any, and what links are not allowed? I think that what's transpired in this thread so far proves beyond any objective person's doubt that this is a reasonable question.
Additionally, after you years ago deleted the long thread entitled "Significant Economic Event" on the basis of it being "too political", I have not posted anything political unless someone else posts first (with that "Earthshaking Economic Revelation" thread being the sole exception). That's what I did on this thread.
It seems to me that your warnings about being too political only come after my political opinion is stated, not, for example, your own, or, in this case, hondadude's. If the "too political" rule is going to be "Whatever I say is not too political and I'll decide whether what someone else says IS", then just say that's the case and I'll understand the true nature of the "Off Topic" forum more accurately.
#12
01-27-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm sorry Ang if I got Tony into trouble. I've been aware of the rule about linking to SELLING sites.
I guess I can see if a political post degrades into a flame war of people simply insulting each other, that would violate other rules & standards that we have tried to maintain. I've seen threads in "off topic" that were tolerated for awhile, until they turned into a couple people throwing insults at each other. This thread didn't seem like it was going that way.
I guess I can see if a political post degrades into a flame war of people simply insulting each other, that would violate other rules & standards that we have tried to maintain. I've seen threads in "off topic" that were tolerated for awhile, until they turned into a couple people throwing insults at each other. This thread didn't seem like it was going that way.
#13
02-11-2012, 04:29 PM
I'm voting for which ever one is quick enough to go to war. I want to help free other countries from communist dictators, who get supplies from Russia and China. The two biggest supporters of communist dictators who shut their people up.
#14
02-11-2012, 05:23 PM
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That's Okay Jim
I'm sorry Ang if I got Tony into trouble. I've been aware of the rule about linking to SELLING sites.
I guess I can see if a political post degrades into a flame war of people simply insulting each other, that would violate other rules & standards that we have tried to maintain. I've seen threads in "off topic" that were tolerated for awhile, until they turned into a couple people throwing insults at each other. This thread didn't seem like it was going that way.
I guess I can see if a political post degrades into a flame war of people simply insulting each other, that would violate other rules & standards that we have tried to maintain. I've seen threads in "off topic" that were tolerated for awhile, until they turned into a couple people throwing insults at each other. This thread didn't seem like it was going that way.
.Tony makes some good posts and I enjoy most of them and I think he know's that..but just the same I watch and wait..
And as usual at the end of any type of Political post comes my favorite picture and phrase...
WheelBrokerAng
#17
03-18-2012, 09:56 AM
And speaking of things that the war corporations want, and things Ron Paul would never allow, take a gander at this latest stab in freedom's heart:
www dot examiner dot com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources
From the above (with my underline and bold):
"President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources
On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.
The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order's functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.
The economy of the United States is based on the free flow of resources, energy, and the rights of consumers to buy and sell as they see fit. Any interference in this economic process quickly leads to shortages, rising prices, and civil unrest. The purpose of President Obama signing this new Executive Order is yet unclear, however, it may coincide with information coming out of Israel yesterday that plans for a tactical or strategic strike on Iran are accelerating. Oil prices in Europe rose over $3 a barrel for Brent crude after the Israeli actions, and US oil prices rose $2 for WTI. The Obama administration appears to be preparing for a long drawn out war in the Middle East, or at the very least, an expected crisis that will require the need to override Constitutional authority and claim dominion over all resources in the United States under the guise of national defense. With the rise in Disaster Preparadness growing for both individuals and states leading up to yesterday's Executive Order, the mood of the nation points strongly towards some event or disaster that will require massive preparations on a national as well as local scale."
When taken as a package with the NDAA, the above is certainly one of the biggest stories EVER in US history, but will the MSM put it on their front pages and run with it? And if not, why not?
Is there anything that their government can do that will get US citizens marching in the streets? Maybe dropping the highway speed limit to 40 mph would do the trick.
(For those interested in reading the actual Executive Order, as it was issued by "the White House" on March 16, 2012, it can be read here:
www dot whitehouse dot gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness )
www dot examiner dot com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources
From the above (with my underline and bold):
"President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources
- By Kenneth Schortgen Jr, Finance Examiner
On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.
The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order's functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the "Act").
(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel; -White House
Additionally, each cabinet under the Executive Branch has been given specific powers when the order is executed, and include the absolute control over food, water, and other resource distributions.(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel; -White House
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
(e) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. "Food resources" also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.
Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry. During the Civil War, President Lincoln halted freedom of speech and freedom of the press, while at the same time revoking Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial under the sixth amendment. During World War I, when Congress refused to grant Woodrow Wilson extended power over resources to help the war effort, he invoked an Executive Order which allowed him complete control over businesses, industry, transportation, food, and other economic policies.(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
(e) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. "Food resources" also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.
In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.
The economy of the United States is based on the free flow of resources, energy, and the rights of consumers to buy and sell as they see fit. Any interference in this economic process quickly leads to shortages, rising prices, and civil unrest. The purpose of President Obama signing this new Executive Order is yet unclear, however, it may coincide with information coming out of Israel yesterday that plans for a tactical or strategic strike on Iran are accelerating. Oil prices in Europe rose over $3 a barrel for Brent crude after the Israeli actions, and US oil prices rose $2 for WTI. The Obama administration appears to be preparing for a long drawn out war in the Middle East, or at the very least, an expected crisis that will require the need to override Constitutional authority and claim dominion over all resources in the United States under the guise of national defense. With the rise in Disaster Preparadness growing for both individuals and states leading up to yesterday's Executive Order, the mood of the nation points strongly towards some event or disaster that will require massive preparations on a national as well as local scale."
When taken as a package with the NDAA, the above is certainly one of the biggest stories EVER in US history, but will the MSM put it on their front pages and run with it? And if not, why not?
Is there anything that their government can do that will get US citizens marching in the streets? Maybe dropping the highway speed limit to 40 mph would do the trick.
(For those interested in reading the actual Executive Order, as it was issued by "the White House" on March 16, 2012, it can be read here:
www dot whitehouse dot gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness )
Last edited by Tony1M; 03-18-2012 at 01:00 PM. Reason: additional information
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