Accord 03 EX Navi - air conditioning stopped working
#11
You still have some more testing to do. The problem could be from the PCM that turns on the compressor, to the compressor. There are still some basic tests you can try.
Now you need to determine if the compressor is getting power when you turn on the a/c. Your compressor may have more than one wire going to it. Using a volt meter, the blu/red wire should have 12V to ground.
If you know how to check for closed circuit, you can unplug the pressure switch and try testing the switch to verify that the circuit is closed. Alternatively, you could briefly jump the pressure switch electrical connector and see if the clutch plate engages. The pressure switch will be the only item on the piping to the compressor that has something plugged into it.
Now you need to determine if the compressor is getting power when you turn on the a/c. Your compressor may have more than one wire going to it. Using a volt meter, the blu/red wire should have 12V to ground.
If you know how to check for closed circuit, you can unplug the pressure switch and try testing the switch to verify that the circuit is closed. Alternatively, you could briefly jump the pressure switch electrical connector and see if the clutch plate engages. The pressure switch will be the only item on the piping to the compressor that has something plugged into it.
I don't have a volt meter - and unfortunately have never used one. I could get one I suppose, if you could steer me to a good one to buy.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to check for a closed circuit either. I'm going to include a picture I took of what I think is the pressure switch electrical connector - circled in red. Not sure how I would jump it.
I saw a youtube video where a guy jumped the fuse in the external fusebox under his hood (
I'm certainly willing to proceed with these tests - I just need a bit more info on how to do that.
#12
It's not. Thanks for that, though. I might just replace it anyway - they're cheap at Autozone.
#13
In the youtube video you've attached, the guy bypassed the A/C compressor clutch relay and everything else in the A/C system circuit (not jump a fuse or relay, for that matter; it is just applying direct power to the A/C compressor).
You can do the similar thing; but, only as a brief test to check that the compressor runs.
1. The A/C compressor clutch relay is number 2, as shown in the attached under-hood fuse/relay box diagram.
2. You would pull that relay out, then use a jumper wire where relay terminals no. 1 and no. 2 would normally be plugged into.
Warning: It is not a fix, in any measure. This is only a test. Do not leave it like that.
You can do the similar thing; but, only as a brief test to check that the compressor runs.
1. The A/C compressor clutch relay is number 2, as shown in the attached under-hood fuse/relay box diagram.
2. You would pull that relay out, then use a jumper wire where relay terminals no. 1 and no. 2 would normally be plugged into.
Warning: It is not a fix, in any measure. This is only a test. Do not leave it like that.
Last edited by redbull-1; 06-28-2014 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Warning: it is not a fix.
#14
1. Your picture with the electrical connector circled in red is the connector for the A/C compressor, which supplies power via the A/C compressor clutch relay located in the under-hood fuse box. That is not the A/C pressure switch.
2. The A/C pressure switch is attached to piping connected to the A/C condenser.
2. The A/C pressure switch is attached to piping connected to the A/C condenser.
Last edited by redbull-1; 07-05-2014 at 09:13 PM. Reason: images removed
#15
I want to tell you all how much I appreciate the help you're giving me, but I'm just a bit reluctant to try to deal with volt meters and jumping circuits.
I went to a shop where I've had work done before (and been satisfied with it) and had them evacuate and then re-charge my system. They did a leak check and it passed, but there was only 12 oz of refrigerant in the car. It should have been somewhere around 20 I was told. So, over the life of the car I've lost about 8 oz of refrigerant.
They then tried the a/c, and it didn't work. They tried to get the clutch going but couldn't do it. The estimate on the repair was a new condenser and whatever else needed to be replaced along with it for $877, or $1177 if they had to replace the drier part of the a/c.
From what I've read, the price of $900 sounds in line with what other shops charge. Does the extra $300 for the drier part of it sound legit? He explained to me that little ***** of silicate often break out of the bags and get into the system.
Thanks..
I went to a shop where I've had work done before (and been satisfied with it) and had them evacuate and then re-charge my system. They did a leak check and it passed, but there was only 12 oz of refrigerant in the car. It should have been somewhere around 20 I was told. So, over the life of the car I've lost about 8 oz of refrigerant.
They then tried the a/c, and it didn't work. They tried to get the clutch going but couldn't do it. The estimate on the repair was a new condenser and whatever else needed to be replaced along with it for $877, or $1177 if they had to replace the drier part of the a/c.
From what I've read, the price of $900 sounds in line with what other shops charge. Does the extra $300 for the drier part of it sound legit? He explained to me that little ***** of silicate often break out of the bags and get into the system.
Thanks..
#16
You can stop by your local discount store and pick up a volt meter around $10-20. We can walk you through the tests. It is not very difficult. If you can measure the battery voltage across the posts, we can walk you through this.
This may be as simple as a relay or a burned fuse. I had this happen on my TSX due to a misrouted vacuum hose (long story).
Your car takes about 18oz of R-134a, so you don't have a large leak, but there is certainly a leak.
This may be as simple as a relay or a burned fuse. I had this happen on my TSX due to a misrouted vacuum hose (long story).
Your car takes about 18oz of R-134a, so you don't have a large leak, but there is certainly a leak.
#17
What sort of volt meter do I need to get? Any brand you recommend, or specific model? Any minimum requirements on extra bells and whistles? Digital readout over one with a needle?
I'm willing to try this if you think I can do it. I just don't want to accidentally ruin something or short out the system.
I'm willing to try this if you think I can do it. I just don't want to accidentally ruin something or short out the system.
#18
1. In regards to a multimeter, you don't need anything high end; but, some of the best are made by Fluke, starting around $110 and up.
Most any multimeter can work though. For example, right now, Sears has a pretty decent Craftsman multimeter with a bonus AC voltage detector (which can be used for other things) on sale for $16.99 plus tax if you use the online purchase feature and pick up in store. Alternately, Harbor Freight has a usable multimeter on sale for $5.49 right now.
2. However, with that said, sounds like the mechanic you brought your car to may have already diagnosis the problem. So, the use of a multimeter at this point may not reveal much more.
Get some more detailed information from the mechanic what is the specific problem (e.g., A/C condenser and/or A/C compressor?).
3. In regards to the receiver/dryer, that part is only around $42 (Honda list price).
4. When you try to turn on the A/C, if both cooling fans in the engine compartment run, then most likely the A/C pressure switch is okay and the signal from the PCM (car's computer is okay). Therefore, a test of the A/C pressure switch is probably not necessary.
5. For the most part, the tests we describe are relatively safe if precautions are taken.
Most any multimeter can work though. For example, right now, Sears has a pretty decent Craftsman multimeter with a bonus AC voltage detector (which can be used for other things) on sale for $16.99 plus tax if you use the online purchase feature and pick up in store. Alternately, Harbor Freight has a usable multimeter on sale for $5.49 right now.
2. However, with that said, sounds like the mechanic you brought your car to may have already diagnosis the problem. So, the use of a multimeter at this point may not reveal much more.
Get some more detailed information from the mechanic what is the specific problem (e.g., A/C condenser and/or A/C compressor?).
3. In regards to the receiver/dryer, that part is only around $42 (Honda list price).
4. When you try to turn on the A/C, if both cooling fans in the engine compartment run, then most likely the A/C pressure switch is okay and the signal from the PCM (car's computer is okay). Therefore, a test of the A/C pressure switch is probably not necessary.
5. For the most part, the tests we describe are relatively safe if precautions are taken.
#19
I wanted to put a cap on this thread. I got my a/c fixed for about $725. I needed a new compressor. He left the condenser alone, which I appreciated. When I first got it back, the a/c would finally blow cool air after about half a minute. Had one episode last Friday where it wouldn't blow cool air at all! (This is after I got it back from the shop). So, eventually it came on, and has been coming on pretty immediately after startup ever since. Not sure what that one blip was this past Friday, but it's working great now.
Thank you all for your help. I will post another question soon, because I have a passenger side window (front) that only clicks now instead of going up and down.
Thank you all for your help. I will post another question soon, because I have a passenger side window (front) that only clicks now instead of going up and down.
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