Possibly dying ECU...
#1
Possibly dying ECU...
I'll try to cut the story short, so sorry if it's long in advance.
1993 Accord LX F22 automatic (if you need me to list engine mods let me know)
First bought the car about 2 years ago, it kept dying in midst drive. Replaced the distributor, all was well. Later did a full tune up, plugs, wires, fuel pump, valves, everything, which is still recent enough to say I don't need to do it again for a while longer.
Later, I had some electronics misbehaving/failing one by one in a row. 3 speakers don't work, blower motor went out, speedsensor/speedometer acting up.
Now, today was -25F with a -40F wind chill. Brand new, fully charged, well connected battery. I let it warm up today after turning it over for 15 minutes, dropped to 1.2k rpms or so and temp gauge was about halfway which is normal for it. Shifted normally and did fine until I asked it to hit the 50mph speed limit. Got to 2nd, maybe 3rd gear and spazzed out. RPMs was bouncing from 2 to 4.5 - 5 back and forth extremely quickly and roughly, the car felt like it was bouncing in all directions. Brought it to first gear, cruised for about a minute, put it back in D4 asked it to go again and without hesitation went and did fine the rest of the way back.
Went home and realized I had the wrong oil weight in the car for the season (10w instead of 5w). Had some suggestions about possibly low transmission fluid, or the fluid not being up to temp with the rest of the engine causing it to do race through the RPMs like that. Others then suggested it's either an alternator issue, or the ECU.
I'm leaning towards the the ECU since a lot of electronics have been going down the toilet lately.
Question is, what exactly could have caused the RPMs to go so wacky? And how exactly can you tell when your ECU is about to crap out?
PS, I'm going to be switching oil weights, checking the tranny oil, and testing my alternator. Also, none of my electronics went wacky when my car was racing through the RPMs.
1993 Accord LX F22 automatic (if you need me to list engine mods let me know)
First bought the car about 2 years ago, it kept dying in midst drive. Replaced the distributor, all was well. Later did a full tune up, plugs, wires, fuel pump, valves, everything, which is still recent enough to say I don't need to do it again for a while longer.
Later, I had some electronics misbehaving/failing one by one in a row. 3 speakers don't work, blower motor went out, speedsensor/speedometer acting up.
Now, today was -25F with a -40F wind chill. Brand new, fully charged, well connected battery. I let it warm up today after turning it over for 15 minutes, dropped to 1.2k rpms or so and temp gauge was about halfway which is normal for it. Shifted normally and did fine until I asked it to hit the 50mph speed limit. Got to 2nd, maybe 3rd gear and spazzed out. RPMs was bouncing from 2 to 4.5 - 5 back and forth extremely quickly and roughly, the car felt like it was bouncing in all directions. Brought it to first gear, cruised for about a minute, put it back in D4 asked it to go again and without hesitation went and did fine the rest of the way back.
Went home and realized I had the wrong oil weight in the car for the season (10w instead of 5w). Had some suggestions about possibly low transmission fluid, or the fluid not being up to temp with the rest of the engine causing it to do race through the RPMs like that. Others then suggested it's either an alternator issue, or the ECU.
I'm leaning towards the the ECU since a lot of electronics have been going down the toilet lately.
Question is, what exactly could have caused the RPMs to go so wacky? And how exactly can you tell when your ECU is about to crap out?
PS, I'm going to be switching oil weights, checking the tranny oil, and testing my alternator. Also, none of my electronics went wacky when my car was racing through the RPMs.
#2
Replaced the distributor...did a full tune up, plugs, wires, fuel pump, valves, ...Got to 2nd, maybe 3rd gear and spazzed out. RPMs was bouncing from 2 to 4.5 - 5 back and forth extremely quickly and roughly, the car felt like it was bouncing in all directions...I'm leaning towards the the ECU...what exactly could have caused the RPMs to go so wacky? And how exactly can you tell when your ECU is about to crap out?
#3
My two cents: You can't tell exactly when an ECU is going bad. You've replaced a lot of parts that could cause the symptoms you're having. According to previous posts, the car was hit hard on the passenger door which is very close to the ECU. 4th Gen ECUs are cheap and easy to replace. Replace it and see if the drivability problems go away. You may want to open the TCU case and look for burned resistors and leaking capacitors while you're replacing the ECU.
In the meantime, if I can control the symptoms is it going to hurt it if I drive it? Daily driver...
Also, the electronics began failing even before the door got wailed on, but I'm sure that didn't help anything either
Last edited by militiamaiden; 01-23-2014 at 09:47 AM. Reason: typos
#4
Later, I had some electronics misbehaving/failing one by one in a row. 3 speakers don't work, blower motor went out, speedsensor/speedometer acting up.
Check out techauto(dot)awardspace(dot)com/vss(dot)html. I'm not familiar with 4th Gen ECU/TCU combo troubleshooting, but a faulty VSS can cause some of problems similar to what you're experiencing, and it's easy to access and diagnose.
#5
Probably best not to lump everything in with a bad ECU. Speakers have nothing to do with the ECU; are the speakers/headunit an aftermarket installation? If so then I'd take a hard look at that. Similarly, the blower motor going out probably has nothing to do with the ECU, although it sits right above it and the motor or the blower relay could have been damaged by the hit. Lots of threads about diagnosing/repairing blower problems. Do a search of this site.
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Wish there was a way to test it without taking it to a shop
Other than I'm totally stumped. IF the ECU is the issue, it really could throw RPMs around like that? Another suggestion I got was alternator, that could do that as well?
#8
My bad, scrolled right over the first time The VSS doesn't sound a lot like my problem, the ECU kind of maybe so I'll follow the guide on that one and the TCU sounds pretty much dead on. Thanks for showing me that! Bookmarking now!
#9
One of the first things I checked, all was clear there
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